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re: Massie the only republican to vote against the SAVE Act
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ok, but where did it come from?
And why, if it's just the results of evolution of humanity, is there no set of rights and liberties that are available to anyone in any part of the world?
And why, if it's just the results of evolution of humanity, is there no set of rights and liberties that are available to anyone in any part of the world?
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Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:38 pm to jrodLSUke
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He most certainly did.
He voted no to advance the bill and it passed by 1 vote. If that vote had failed, the bill would have be tabled, and may have died there.
That's Massie's grift: Vote No to advance the bill and and try to kill it. Then vote Yes on the actual Bill and claim that in the upcoming election.
So you are in favor of congress going back to the Pelosi rules of you have to pass a bill before you can know what's in it?
Because you for some reason don't want to acknowledge that was also in there, and they only used the Save Act to provide cover for them.
Are you willfully ignorant or just ignorant?
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:39 pm to jrodLSUke
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He most certainly did.
He most certainly did not, you idiot
He voted not to send to the floor because it had a dishonest rider provision to give proper notice of spending riders
But you've proven to a be a pathological liar here, so I'm not surprised you're doubling down on lies
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:40 pm to 3down10
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From God...
Correct.
Our laws are built on tye foundation of a document that explicitly states where we go for our rights, morals, and laws, which are simply the things God requires to ensure everyone's innate rights are protected.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:40 pm to 3down10
he's a Massie-hating dispensationalist Zionist
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Never
I'm just describing what you're doing, whether you realize you're doing it or not.
Either way, it doesnt matter.
Its okay to name a group. Its okay to discuss partiuclares of a group. Since this group is real, and their impact is real, it makes sense to acknowledge them.
Doing that doesnt diminsh any point I have made. You are wrong to claim otherwise.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:41 pm to jrodLSUke
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most certainly did.
Then you say he did not.
Wild.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:43 pm to 3down10
jrodLSU loves it when our tax money gets sent to Israel, so therefore he loves under the table dishonest shite taking place to steal the money from American taxpayers
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:43 pm to GRTiger
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Ok, but where did it come from?
I told you they are a function of our reason in societal trial and error, similar to morals. Same sort of process of origination and conceptualization.
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And why, if it's just the results of evolution of humanity, is there no set of rights and liberties that are available to anyone in any part of the world?
You're kind of proving my point and I don't think you realize it. Different areas have different histories and societal evolutions, we commonly refer to this in a bigger concept as culture.
If your area is more focused on societal advancement, perspective, analysis, etc. you are going to have a more robust concept of rights compared to areas who reject that sort of analysis. Usually there's a religious tie-in as we have seen literally since Sumer.
Some places just didn't develop societally and they lack a lot of higher level concepts, and you see this also with rights not being conceptualized in the same way that you'll see in a developed Western countries. There is no one set of Rights in the world. It's a concept we struggle with, even in an advanced state, in advance civilizations, with technology, and are most expansive understanding of History.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:43 pm to djsdawg
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A smart person sees this as an opportunity to make a good point, to help better educate the populace, to advance their cause.
You don't see it that way, so what does it say about you?
You whine like a menstruating female every time I ask for your history lessons.
I'm not the gatekeeper to the information, you can access it on your own anytime you want. That you refuse to feed/educate yourself and expect everyone else to do so for you is a large part of why you are such a dumbass.
The Parable of the Donkey and the Tiger
The Donkey said to the Tiger, “The grass is blue.”
The Tiger replied, “No, the grass is green.”
The discussion heated up and the two decided to go before the Lion, the King of the jungle.
The Donkey began to shout, “Your highness, is it true that the grass is blue?”
The Lion replied, “If you believe that it’s true, then the grass is blue.”
The Donkey continued, “The Tiger disagrees with me, contradicts and annoys me. Please punish him.”
The King declared, “The Tiger will be punished with five years of silence.”
The Donkey jumped cheerfully and went on his way.
The Tiger accepted his punishment, but before he left he asked the Lion, “Why have you punished me? After all, the grass is green.”
The Lion replied, “In fact, the grass is green.”
The Tiger asked, “So, why are you punishing me?”
The Lion replied, “That has nothing to do with the question of whether or not the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is not logical for an intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with a donkey. And on top of that, come and bother me with a question like that.
The worst waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who does not care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions.”
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:43 pm to djsdawg
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Its okay to name a group. Its okay to discuss partiuclares of a group. Since this group is real, and their impact is real, it makes sense to acknowledge them.
In conversation specific to that group? Yes
However, we are having a discussion about policies and political philosophy which has nothing to do with group identification.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
Would you say on the whole that the Judeo-Christian world developed way differently than thr Muslim world?
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There it is again
Ok, so you are here to clarify your views on these issues. Finally.
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DEI Discrimination
Trans in girl sports
Open Borders/Illegal Immigration
Crime and Punishment (black crime and liberal judges)
Election Integrity
Entitltement fraud and abuse
Do you agree with woke liberals or normal people on these subjects? Will you acknowledge the threat the left poses on each issue?
I know Penrod wants to know your take on C&P.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:45 pm to GRTiger
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Correct.
Our laws are built on tye foundation of a document that explicitly states where we go for our rights, morals, and laws, which are simply the things God requires to ensure everyone's innate rights are protected.
Ok, and when you start to push your social views on other people, you are infringing on those rights.
The entire reason people came to American to begin with was to get away from those who pushed and forced people into such things.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:47 pm to 3down10
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Ok, and when you start to push your social views on other people, you are infringing on those rights.
Give me a few examples of you don't mind. I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying here.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In conversation specific to that group? Yes
Its all interconnected. They go hand in hand.
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However, we are having a discussion about policies and political philosophy which has nothing to do with group identification.
2 big parts of this discussion are about 1) real threats to the very near future of our nation and 2) what to do about them.
We can discuss them both together. Its not gonna hurt you. Its not against any rules.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:52 pm to GRTiger
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Give me a few examples of you don't mind. I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying here.
Well the discussion originated with making weed illegal, which would also extend to alcohol, tobacco and anything else that can be deemed "bad for you" which is largely based on what is considered socially acceptable.
It's like banning transfat. Bad for you - yes. A purpose of government to ban it and force everyone else to not have it? No. The purpose of government should be to insure nobody infringes on these rights.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:57 pm to 3down10
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I'm not the gatekeeper to the information, you can access it on your own anytime you want. That you refuse to feed/educate yourself and expect everyone else to do so for you is a large part of why you are such a dumbass.
You are zero substance. Quit talking about history if you can’t even discuss it. Only bring up stuff you are willing to discuss.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:01 pm to 3down10
So laws are in place to govern morals? I thought we disagreed on that.
What are examples of laws that are not related to the morals of society?
What are examples of laws that are not related to the morals of society?
Posted on 2/12/26 at 1:05 pm to djsdawg
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You are zero substance. Quit talking about history if you can’t even discuss it. Only bring up stuff you are willing to discuss.
It's funny how just a day or 2 ago you were claiming to have been a former Ron Paul supporter, claiming you voted for him.
And yet when I mentioned a congressman who endorsed Reagan in 1976 and ran for president as a libertarian in 1988, you have no idea who it is.
Because you're a liar.
The worst waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who does not care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions.
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