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re: Massie the only republican to vote against the SAVE Act
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
What a ridiculous thing to say 
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Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:16 pm to 3down10
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but want to use the government to enforce their moral codes
I can't think of a single other reason to have laws.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:16 pm to 3down10
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I generally agree with social conservatives on many issues, however I depart when they want to use government to uphold their social issues.
What if it's in an effort to punish far-left policies such as follows?
DEI Discrimination
Trans in girl sports
Open Borders/Illegal Immigration
Crime and Punishment
Election Integrity
Entitltement fraud and abuse
Do you agree with woke liberals or normal people on these subjects? You have to pick a side on issues like this.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:20 pm to djsdawg
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What if it's in an effort to punish far-left
There it is again
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:22 pm to GumboPot
Massie did not vote against the SAVE act
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That has nothing to do with relying on in/out group identification when discussing policy.
You are wrong about that reliance, as it stands on its own.
1) Acknowledging the very real threat (that you somehow can't see) from the left in no way diminishes the merits of 2) understanding that Congress can't fix this mess. That's an absurd assertion for you to make.
They aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, they are interconnected. #1 is why #2 cant work.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:23 pm to hawgfaninc
stop posting lies
Massie did not vote against the SAVE act
Massie did not vote against the SAVE act
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's like an addiction. You just can't go without framing everything around "the left"
You don't like discussing the history of communism winning? Does it scare you? That discussion shouldn't, but the real history should scare you as history repeats itself.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How does this not apply to the 215 who just voted against Republican principles (states rights)?
Do rights not come with responsibilities?
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:26 pm to GRTiger
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I can't think of a single other reason to have laws.
The purpose of government is to protect individual rights and liberty, not to force people to live life according to your religious beliefs and what you deem to be socially acceptable.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:27 pm to Hayekian serf
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He won’t vote for anything that sneaks in spending on nonsense
Correct
the Democrats and RINOs tried to sneak in a measure of that vote that would allow them to introduce spending without a 24 hour notice
RINO Underground here will blow their top because they hate admitting they're almost always wrong
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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See and intelligent people know you're trying to use the in/out group dynamic to try to marginalize me, because you can beat me rhetorically.
Are you offended when I point out the dangers of your apathy?
My pointing that out in no way diminishes any point I have made.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:31 pm to djsdawg
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Are you offended
Never
I'm just describing what you're doing, whether you realize you're doing it or not. I imagine this is a trait that you learned from others and are repeating it without understanding the logical fallacies involved.
Let me know when you can discuss a policy without referencing a group and want to discuss a policy itself from a policy or political philosophy perspective and not a group identification perspective
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:31 pm to 3down10
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The purpose of government is to protect individual rights and liberty
Never, in history, has there ever been a government that existed for this reason.
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not to force people to live life according to your religious beliefs and what you deem to be socially acceptable
If you feel you are in a democratic society, then this is the sole purpose of government through the dictates of the ballot box. I mean, boil it down. What is the purpose of a vote? Its purpose is no other than to make your voice heard on how others should live.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:31 pm to 3down10
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You're such an idiot that you only think in terms of party rather than issues.
You completely avoided answering the questions
AGAIN My point was thinking about the PRINCIPLES that shape all of your beliefs.
A principled libertarian isnt going to vote for the Republicans. You think these GOPmen are trash, gasp, dare I say "leftists."
You wouldn't vote for trash like that, would you?
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:33 pm to 3down10
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individual rights and liberty
Where do these originate such that they are available to a government to protect?
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:34 pm to GRTiger
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Where do these originate
They are a function of our reason and thousands of years of societal trial and error
There's a large philosophical overlap between the concept of morals and rights and how we developed both
This post was edited on 2/12/26 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:34 pm to 3down10
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This is the problem with dumb people, they think it's everyone else's responsibility to educate them.
A smart person sees this as an opportunity to make a good point, to help better educate the populace, to advance their cause.
You don't see it that way, so what does it say about you?
You whine like a menstruating female every time I ask for your history lessons.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:35 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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Massie did not vote against the SAVE act
He most certainly did.
He voted no to advance the bill and it passed by 1 vote. If that vote had failed, the bill would have be tabled, and may have died there.
That's Massie's grift: Vote No to advance the bill and and try to kill it. Then vote Yes on the actual Bill and claim that in the upcoming election.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 12:36 pm to GRTiger
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Where do these originate such that they are available to a government to protect?
From God...
Have you never read the Declaration of Independence?
Forming a government is a right to self protection, the same as owning a gun. A necessary evil of sorts.
But when such a government goes beyond that purpose and no longer serves the people it is supposed to represent, then it's our duty to fix it.
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