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Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:16 pm to Bigtime92
What rights are the Conservative government officials trying to deny the left that would label them tyrannical? The right to mooch off of taxpayers?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:42 pm to Scruffy
quote:I know.
Yes, the premise is correct.
quote:Which is why I said the disagreement here is only on magnitude, not principle.
His assumptions are overinflated and incorrect based on largely fear-mongering information pushed by media outlets, such as Vox.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:43 pm to SCLibertarian
quote:No I don't. This guy is a weak-minded piece of shite.
You just don't see the problem. You equate Trump's constitutional election with a military coup or foreign invasion. It makes y'all look insane.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:44 pm to the808bass
quote:Yes, he is, although he also sounds like he has a long history of just being a run-of-the-mill criminal.
The shooter is a leftist sheeple Big Scrub often tells us about.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:44 pm to Bigtime92
quote:Negative. Its premise seems painfully clear.
We are parsing over the premise of the 2A
quote:Exactly. That was the point of my comment.
guy's definition of tyranny.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:45 pm to MSMHater
quote:I think it's obvious that the shooter was a mindless POS who was wrong about whatever he thought, but it seems somewhat beyond debate that in his own head he was acting against a tyrannical government.
I meant his premise that the shooter was acting against a tyrannical govt. That idea is shite.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:47 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I think it's obvious that the shooter was a mindless POS who was wrong about whatever he thought, but it seems somewhat beyond debate that in his own head he was acting against a tyrannical government.
So you state he was mindless and then want to draw something from his actions and motivations. Solid work.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:49 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
but it seems somewhat beyond debate that in his own head he was acting against a tyrannical government.
Sure, I'll agree it was his perception. Certainly not a justification, or anything close to reality, but likely his perception.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:49 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I think it's obvious that the shooter was a mindless POS who was wrong about whatever he thought, but it seems somewhat beyond debate that in his own head he was acting against a tyrannical government.
So you're lending credence to the delusions of a lunatic?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:51 pm to the808bass
quote:Wut. "Mindless" is another way to say "stupid". But I don't see how it isn't obvious that his motivations (again, IN HIS OWN MIND) were to fight a tyrannical government. I'm only going off of his own words/social media/etc. If you think he had a hidden agenda, I'm all ears.
So you state he was mindless and then want to draw something from his actions and motivations. Solid work.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
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beyond debate that in his own head he was acting against a tyrannical government.
Lolol
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:52 pm to Damone
quote:Credence? No, he's a tpos idiot. But that doesn't mean he wasn't motivated by what he was motivated by.
So you're lending credence to the delusions of a lunatic?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Exactly. That was the point of my comment.
We're all good. You were correctly alluding to the premise of the second amendment, while I was referring to the premise of Moulitsis's argument as to the definition of tyranny as it related to Rand's tweet.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:55 pm to MSMHater
quote:Yes. And I guess my point is (if I have one
Sure, I'll agree it was his perception. Certainly not a justification, or anything close to reality, but likely his perception.
) is that this is similar to the maxim about being careful what instruments of power you give to those in power, because the day will come when the people in power will be people you don't agree with, but will still have those same instruments of power. There will be vast disagreement amongst gun owners as to what does and does not constitute "tyranny", so we should be incredibly circumspect when invoking such...because we all seem to agree that shooting tyrants is an American right.Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
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There will be vast disagreement amongst gun owners as to what does and does not constitute "tyranny", so we should be incredibly circumspect when invoking such...because we all seem to agree that shooting tyrants is an American right.
Stupid people have been screaming tyranny for years, it doesn't make it true. It has nothing to do with being a gun owner
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
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But that doesn't mean he wasn't motivated by what he was motivated by.
What does that even mean other than "he thought things"? Dylan Roof thought things, but WGAS about what he thought because he murdered people.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 4:30 pm to Bigtime92
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Republicans are getting what they want
I'd say it's quite the opposite.
The left thinks they want this fight. They really don't.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 5:53 pm to Damone
quote:He had a demonstrated history of animus towards republican politicians and the wealthy. He believed it constituted tyranny, so he started shooting. That is to say - explicitly - he agrees 100% with the rest of us on the intent and principle of the 2A.
What does that even mean other than "he thought things"?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 6:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I certainly agree with this. For instance, all the absurd rubes who believed that Obama was a shoo-in for a 3rd term and that Jade Helm was a thing.
Stupid people have been screaming tyranny for years
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