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re: Mark Halperin Reports That College Republicans VP May Have Been ‘Target’ of Brown shooter

Posted on 12/16/25 at 10:16 am to
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 10:16 am to
There was one other “critically injured” student.

But the media makes up shite on these situations all the time.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 10:17 am to
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Is this what we’re calling Islamic extremism now, a mental break? More than likely he was indoctrinated vs some mental break


The mental break part is simply, "Why shoot up Econ0110 at Brown and kill as many Muslims as Christians?" Why not attack a target more related to oppression of Palestinians?

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 10:19 am to
Why not?

There’s no one better at killing Muslims than other Muslims.
Posted by TDTOM
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 10:21 am to
Does someone who just wants to kill people go into a classroom with multiple people, only shoot two ( one may have been by accident), and run?

Does a martyr run?
Posted by I20goon
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 10:25 am to
Typically when one kills for religious reasons:
- a geographical location is the target
- a group is targeted
- but any targets will do as the attack progresses
- they do not try and escape; if they do it is way too late.

In an ideological attack:
- a person or person(s) are the target
- the geographical location is opportunistic to give the best chances of success
- they do try to escape or avoid identification
- collateral targets ('any target will do') are limited; usually collateral casualties are limited to the escape or someone helping the intended targets

This attack was ideological.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 10:54 am to
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The baws will not accept anything other than their pre-programmed outcome though. If the news isnt favorable, here come the conspiracies.


So like you have been doing with Venezuela. Killing drug dealers doesn't lead to regime change, but you've been fully latched onto that conspiracy theory since the first strike. Zero self-awareness and hypocrisy are defining traits of TDS "conservatives."
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 10:56 am to
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Does someone who just wants to kill people go into a classroom with multiple people, only shoot two ( one may have been by accident), and run?

Does a martyr run?


This is what I meant by saying let's gather the data. Yes, a true martyr usually stays to fight it out. My guess, though, is that the shooter had personal motives for what he did and wanted to make them seem heroic by yelling "Allahu Akbar."

Also, you need to check your facts. He shot NINE people. One student remains in critical condition.

Of course, he MIGHT have been targeting Ella Cook. Personally, I would like to see something more concrete than "unnamed sources say..."

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:01 am to
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So like you have been doing with Venezuela.


You mean "regime change."

Youve been lied to about the drugs. Yet, you still want to believe it at all cost.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:03 am to
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Does someone who just wants to kill people go into a classroom with multiple people, only shoot two ( one may have been by accident), and run?



Tom, you always seem so sure in your criticisms of me. I just want to see if you're capable of honesty. Would you admit that you made a significant error by thinking only TWO people were shot, when actually NINE were?

Posted by TDTOM
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:12 am to
Sure
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:17 am to
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Tom, you always seem so sure in your criticisms of me.


He;s in the SDVTiger tier propagandist.

Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:20 am to
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Sure


Does it give you some doubt that Ella Cook was targeted? Again, none of us KNOWS. We can just shuffle probabilities.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:24 am to
Do we know anything about the other student that was killed?
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:27 am to
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In an ideological attack:
- a person or person(s) are the target
- the geographical location is opportunistic to give the best chances of success
- they do try to escape or avoid identification
- collateral targets ('any target will do') are limited; usually collateral casualties are limited to the escape or someone helping the intended targets

This attack was ideological.


Good analysis. Any guess as to why so many collateral casualties here?
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:37 am to
Yes, he was a Muslim, international student from Uzbekistan. Sad loss, bright future.

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:38 am to
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He shot NINE people. One student remains in critical condition.


I haven’t seen that 9 people were shot. I’ve seen 9 people were injured.
Posted by I20goon
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:47 am to
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Any guess as to why so many collateral casualties here?
guess only... considering it was an auditorium (lecture hall) and there's only 2 exits, both on the same wall, the other students got between the shooter and those exits panicking to escape.

Maybe some, such as Umurzokov, tried to disarm him.

Probably a mix with the bulk being those blocking his escape.

The TA said in CNN interview that it was a "very big gun" and the FBI says it was a 9mm handgun.

So the TA is full of shite and is couching his answers. But 11 casualties fits with a close-quarters (very few misses) emptying of a pistol clip.

And to me in the surveillance video of him exiting 'a' building (we don't know what building that is) where we see it from behind only it has its hand, right hand, in pocket with no sway or bounce. It is holding something. Assuming right-handed, that's the pistol and confirms the TA is full of shite and lends itself to the number of rounds fired.
This post was edited on 12/16/25 at 11:50 am
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 12:23 pm to
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Assuming right-handed, that's the pistol and confirms the TA is full of shite and lends itself to the number of rounds fired.


Thanks, Goon. That would account for what we know.

The other data I would add to "maybe targeting Ella Cook" was that the class ran a few minutes late. Maybe the shooter thought he would catch her leaving the class alone.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 12:33 pm to
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But 11 casualties fits with a close-quarters (very few misses) emptying of a pistol clip


Really good point.

Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8811 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 12:43 pm to
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I haven’t seen that 9 people were shot. I’ve seen 9 people were injured.


I have seen it reported to 2 killed, 9 others also shot. I have also seen it reported that of the 11 injured, one of them was wounded by shrapnel and the other 10 were shot.

The reporting on this case has been all over the place.
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