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Many were saying the Senate couldn’t try Trump...

Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:01 pm
Posted by pensacola
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:01 pm
Since he’s not in office. How will that be decided?

Will Robert’s preside at the trial?
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:05 pm to
Yeah, don’t know. Roberts knows this is really unconstitutional, and won’t hold up; pretty much said so.....Kind of have to wait and see, as now law enforcement has destroyed the narrative of incitement
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:06 pm to
He said he was over it
Posted by pensacola
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:21 pm to
The Chief Justice is only there when POTUS is on trial, and POTUS is not on trial.
Posted by indianswim
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:35 pm to
Even if it goes to trial, it’s null and void no matter the decision. Turley and Dershowitz both said so and they haven’t been wrong about the law so far.
Posted by obdobd918
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:42 pm to
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Since he’s not in office. How will that be decided?

Will Robert’s preside at the trial?


Roberts is out. The Deep State has control if him, but even he is not dumb enough to preside at an unconstitutional impeachment. Only a person IN office can be impeached.

If trump committed a crime, then the courts will have to decide. Hs is a private citizen now.

Even if they do follow through with this fake impeachment it will not be legal; therefore, he will still be able to run for office.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 3:08 am
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:44 pm to
I want a trial so fraud evidence can be introduced

after that it can be nullified
Posted by shoelessjoe
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:57 pm to
I want that to, but why would the deepstate allow any of the truth to be heard? They know all to well that info would end them.
Posted by BFIV
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:23 am to
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I want a trial so fraud evidence can be introduced



This is my desire as well, even though I believe Trump can't be tried or convicted. But...if for some insane reason, there IS a trial, I hope we can wait until the Republicans have the majority in both houses, then we can go back and impeach and convict Obama and Buyden and Harris. Maybe we can even go back and impeach Herbert Hoover...
Posted by Texdelmag
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:33 am to
Hoover is the one that started this whole Transgender movement by marry some guy/girl named Lou Henry. True story.
Posted by DocBugbear
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:40 am to
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Roberts knows this is really unconstitutional, and won’t hold up;


William W Belknap, Secretary of War for Ulysses S. Grant, was impeached and tried (acquitted) after he resigned from office. So, if Trump is found guilty (which I doubt at this point), we'd have to see what the Supreme court decides. I don't think it's settled law at this point.
Posted by BFIV
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:52 am to
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William W Belknap, Secretary of War for Ulysses S. Grant, was impeached and tried


He wasn't the current or former President, though. Constitution makes this very clear.
Posted by GeorgeWest
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:17 am to
No, the Constitution does NOT make this clear.

Trump was POTUS when he was impeached for a crime he is said to have committed while POTUS. Belknap wasn't even in office when he was impeached and they still had a trial.

Members of the Executive Branch are not exempt from impeachment trials or that would make a POTUS able to break any law in the last months of his term and get off scott free.

Have the damned trial...you know he won't be convicted.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:25 am to
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Since he’s not in office. How will that be decided?


They dgaf...if you haven't noticed yet...
Posted by BFIV
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:26 am to
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hat would make a POTUS able to break any law in the last months of his term and get off scott free.



I disagree. At that point, the President would be a private citizen and be subject to civil law procedures. And the Constitution is very clear, in my opinion. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the Senate trial of an impeached current President. He does not preside over the Senate trial of an impeached former President. A Senate impeachment trial is not to decide or administer justice. It's only purpose is to remove from office the current President.
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:27 am to
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How will that be decided?





Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:27 am to
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No, the Constitution does NOT make this clear.

Trump was POTUS when he was impeached for a crime he is said to have committed while POTUS. Belknap wasn't even in office when he was impeached and they still had a trial


Yeah, unless the SC feels like nipping it...which Trump isn't even suing fedgov over it...

You are correct. They'll do whatever until they're told to stop.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:29 am to
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Constitution


They dgaf about that if you haven't noticed.

Gangsters don't care about the law either.
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
3681 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:33 am to
Thank You!!!! It’s about time that someone pointed out the obvious to some of these idiots. The whole point of impeachment is to remove a sitting POTUS from office. To waste one more second or dime of tax payer money on trying to go after Trump is not only an abuse of power by lawmakers but a total failure in doing the job they was sent to do in the first place. Every politician in Congress that has went along with or goes along with this political stunt should e removed from office themselves promptly!!!!
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:11 am to
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I disagree.


I disagree based on the rationale that impeachment has enumerated penalties that may be imposed which run past removal from office and more importantly can not be levied by any other tribunal. To suggest otherwise indicates that a president later in their term may commit impeachable offenses and avoid those specific penalties due to the timing of their transgressions.

I personally do not think he should have been impeached nor do I think he will be convicted by the Senate. That aside the loss of the ability to impose the penalties provided for in Art I doesn't make sense to me. I do agree this is a novel matter at this point with no directly analogous precedent.
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