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Posted on 9/6/21 at 7:04 am to Beessnax
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You present this as if we all sold our souls over the vaccination which isn't true at all.
You haven’t ? Yet I see Dr Death saying get the vaccine or die. Please tackle that one. I haven’t seen health care professionals coming out against this bullshite. Staying silent is a crime right now. He’s right and people should not trust you.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 7:05 am to RiverCityTider
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I don't believe your avg. Dr knows whether or not a vaccine is effective or safe
Are you saying our local Poli/OT Drs are fos?
Posted on 9/6/21 at 7:05 am to NC_Tigah
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What you mean to say ... CV19 vaccination doesn't keep every person receiving it from getting the virus, it doesn't keep every person receiving it from spreading the virus, and it seems some people are having adverse effects from the vaccines.
That's why I bolded the word "effectively". The vaccine as advertised has not been effective en masse. It has worked for some but not everyone - as advertised.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 7:10 am to Vastmind
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In a July 1, 2021, commentary in The Lancet Microbe,3 Piero Olliaro, Els Torreele and Michel Vaillant also argue for the use of absolute risk reduction when discussing vaccine efficacy with the public. They too went through the calculations, coming up with the following:
Pfizer/BioNTech — Relative risk reduction: 95%. Absolute risk reduction: 0.84%
Moderna — Relative risk reduction: 94%. Absolute risk reduction: 1.2%
Gamaleya (Sputnik V) — Relative risk reduction: 91%. Absolute risk reduction: 0.93%
Johnson & Johnson — Relative risk reduction: 67%. Absolute risk reduction: 1.2%
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Relative risk is the number that tells you how much something you do, such as maintaining a healthy weight, can change your risk compared to your risk if you're very overweight. Relative risk can be expressed as a percentage decrease or a percentage increase. If something you do or take doesn't change your risk, then the relative risk reduction is 0% (no difference). If something you do or take lowers your risk by 30% compared to someone who doesn't take the same step, then that action reduces your relative risk by 30%. If something you do triples your risk, then your relative risk increases 300%. Absolute risk is the size of your own risk.
Absolute risk reduction is the number of percentage points your own risk goes down if you do something protective, such as stop drinking alcohol. The size of your absolute risk reduction depends on what your risk is to begin with.
None of the jabs seem very effective but J and J is just as good (or really bad) when considering absolute risk reduction.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 7:27 am to Vastmind
quote:FWIW, unless you have a really tight scientific explanation (aside from statistical manipulation) for those RRR-ARR differentials, I'd recommend not repeating them again.
Moderna — Relative risk reduction: 94%. Absolute risk reduction: 1.2%
Johnson & Johnson — Relative risk reduction: 67%. Absolute risk reduction: 1.2%
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:14 am to RiverCityTider
quote:You need to go to medical school and save us from all of this.
RiverCityTider
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:20 am to Revelator
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Not all of them. I started a thread yesterday from the Advocate where 200 doctors and nurses have hired a law firm to fight back against covid mandates.
I know a lot of nurses who are against any mandate to be vaccinated. In fact, now that I think about it, I do not know one nurse who is pro-vaccine. I asked one, just yesterday, if the the docs that she works with in the hospital are pushing the vaccine. She said it was about 50-50.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:24 am to RiverCityTider
Agreed. If only doctors and nurses had the intelligence, awareness, and critical thinking skills of your average TD poliboard poster, this world would be a much better place.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:26 am to mightyMick
quote:100% this!
Blindly following cdc guidelines just gives cover to doctors who don't want to use their education, experience, and better judgement. If they follow the cdc guidelines and something goes wrong, they can simply say they were following recommended guidelines in an attempt absolve themselves of responsibility.
Self interest tops all! Everyone saw how that group of docs were handled after they publicly touted the benefits of prescribing HCQ. I have stated it before, and I'll do it again: My doc wouldn't prescribe HCQ to his patients.but he was taking it.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:34 am to icutmyownlawn
And cannot infect people further than 6'?
And knows it can only infect you as you walk to your table in a restaurant but not if you're eating & drinking?
And knows it can't infect a football stadium full of 100,000 unmasked people?
And knows it cannot infect unmasked politicians but kindergarteners must wear biohazard suits to school?
That virus?
Yep people are gullible.
And knows it can only infect you as you walk to your table in a restaurant but not if you're eating & drinking?
And knows it can't infect a football stadium full of 100,000 unmasked people?
And knows it cannot infect unmasked politicians but kindergarteners must wear biohazard suits to school?
That virus?
Yep people are gullible.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:36 am to RiverCityTider
quote:my wife is a nurse. Did she miss a memo? Or are you a crazy person
conformist nurses, cowardly doctors and their Corporate Healthcare masters reporting to Fauci and his New World Order fiends.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:47 am to tigerfoot
I didn't read that to mean ALL nurses and doctors.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:47 am to tigerfoot
quote:It's worse than that!
Or are you a crazy person
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:47 am to RiverCityTider
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Health Care Professionals
First error is the way question is framed
The current system is “sick care”, rapidly being overwhelmed by:
Poor metabolic health
This is the root of the issue
The problem is that most current provider only see solutions through complicated interventions (often reductionists = vaccine). They are very domain dependent. The current control system insures the worker will only think just enough to get by. Deference is demanded to larger entities (guidelines, boards, etc). In fairness, it is very difficult to swim upstream of these forces and continue to practice...
To get at the root of the issue, one has to think in a domain independent way (across many disciplines) covering:
Politics
Public health policy
Farming practices
Big food
Big pharma
Decisions were made for profit that have led us to where we are. I am going to make a thread soon outlining the chronology (a big point being the shift in diet recs to “low fat” = high carb, high sugar, low fiber, ultra processed diet (as opposed to natural fats, low sugar, high fiber diet) .
Good intentions (for profit)
Trust us, we have to do this or we are going to die (fear). Happened many times prior.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:47 am to Vastmind
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I’ve been risking my career by filling Ivermectin and HCQ scripts since January. There is pressure to conform by the rest of the healthcare community, licensing boards and corrupt federal agencies.
My internal med guy says the same thing. Half his practice are following the CDC and half are not.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:51 am to mightyMick
quote:yeah but shouldn’t she have gotten an invitation.
didn't read that to mean ALL nurses and doctors.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:59 am to onmymedicalgrind
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intelligence, awareness, and critical thinking skills
Not the issue
Domain dependence and limited time to broaden scope of inquiry is the issue (workaholics...)
Outside opinions/views should be welcomed
It is where real change (free from entrenched dogma) comes from
Appeal to authority (your comment) will not cut it moving forward...
“Medicine” is going the way of organized religion and government (Edifice complex eroding)
Posted on 9/6/21 at 9:01 am to RiverCityTider
The level of competence in health care mirrors that of society. Most don’t have a fricking clue what they are doing. Same thing you deal with hiring a plumber or car mechanic. Routine/easy things all of them can handle..after that it’s not good
Posted on 9/6/21 at 9:14 am to RiverCityTider
I have been coming to this same thought regarding healthcare professionals.
In general they are slaves to hard set protocol with little in the way of standing on their own skills, intuition and attacking problems with what should be, you'd think, considerable intellect.
This would make them conform to the pharma's, whose hired marketing personnel coincidentally travel through clinics, doctors offices, and hospitals all the time with their marketing perks and biased information schemes. FOR their pills/shots; AGAINST their competitors, folkway treatments, creativity and the development of doctors as real doctors
In general they are slaves to hard set protocol with little in the way of standing on their own skills, intuition and attacking problems with what should be, you'd think, considerable intellect.
This would make them conform to the pharma's, whose hired marketing personnel coincidentally travel through clinics, doctors offices, and hospitals all the time with their marketing perks and biased information schemes. FOR their pills/shots; AGAINST their competitors, folkway treatments, creativity and the development of doctors as real doctors
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