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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID

Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:26 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:26 pm to
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DawgfaninCa
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:29 pm to
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Which brach of "the government" are the police a part of? The Executive? No.


Yes, the executive. Why would they not, if I have trouble with a meter reader, I can call the mayor. If I have a question regarding police, I can call the chief of police, who works for the MAYOR, a governmental official elected by me.

Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:29 pm to
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Being uncooperative is not a green light to brutally beat someone and kill them.


Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:29 pm to
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NC_Tigah


That is a bad-arse GIF, damn.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:34 pm to
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Yes, the executive. Why would they not, if I have trouble with a meter reader, I can call the mayor. If I have a question regarding police, I can call the chief of police, who works for the MAYOR, a governmental official elected by me.


The Chief of police and the police don't work for the Mayor. They work for the people.

Now who do you want to enforce the law if you don't trust the police to do it correctly?
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:35 pm to
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but they are not elected by the people or appointed by someone who is elected by the people.


Sheriffs are elected. They are governed by a State constitution and generally report to the Governor.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:36 pm to
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Which brach of "the government" are the police a part of? The Executive? No.




Yes, the executive. Why would they not, if I have trouble with a meter reader, I can call the mayor. If I have a question regarding police, I can call the chief of police, who works for the MAYOR, a governmental official elected by me.
This.

Plus, where does the money come from to pay their salaries? Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, it comes from taxes.
And who collects those taxes? That's right, the government.
There's a reason they are called "government employees."
Posted by Sevendust912
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:36 pm to
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They work for the people.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:37 pm to
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Now who do you want to enforce the law if you don't trust the police to do it correctly?



I don't have trouble with the police. I just think you are fighting an odd fight regarding them not being a part of the operations of the govt.

So, the police work FOR the people? So what does that mean exactly?
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:38 pm to
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Being uncooperative is not a green light to brutally beat someone and kill them.


Rodney King was "brutally beat" and he survived.

This man was not "brutally beat". The police used reasonable force to subdue him.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:40 pm to
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The police used reasonable force to subdue him.


Oh boy..

Why was it necessary?
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:57 pm to
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I don't have trouble with the police. I just think you are fighting an odd fight regarding them not being a part of the operations of the govt.


All this nonsense began when I stated that when I was 26 years old I also didn't trust the police but then I experienced life and changed my mind.

Then someone quoted my statement and agreed that they didn't trust "the government".

I'm simply trying to delineate the difference between someone saying they didn't trust the police when they were 26 and someone saying they did not trust "the government" when they were 26.

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So, the police work FOR the people? So what does that mean exactly?


Their job is to protect and serve the people.

However, it is the responsibility and duty of the people to fully cooperate with the police if they are stopped for whatever reason and asked to show their ID even if they have done nothing wrong.

The two work hand in hand and when someone does not fully cooperate with the police and show their ID when asked by the police to produce it even when that person has done nothing wrong then the police have the legal authority and responsibility to detain that person using whatever reasonable physical force is necessary until their identity is determined.

To do otherwise can result in that person being seriously injured or even accidently killed as this situation proved.

What do you want the police to do when they request someone to produce an ID and the person refuses then starts to walk away?

Say pretty please?

Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:00 pm to
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Their job is to protect and serve the people.


Ok

The waitress at IHOP is there to collect my orders and serve me. Who is she employed by, me or IHOP?
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:01 pm to
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Why was it necessary?


It was necessary because the man refused to show his ID when asked for it so the police officers had to detain him until his identity could be determined and he resisted being detained.

What do you want the police to do when someone refuses to show an ID that proves who they really are then resists being detained?

This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 3:03 pm
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:04 pm to
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The waitress at IHOP is there to collect my orders and serve me. Who is she employed by, me or IHOP?


Do you elect the person who hires the waitresses at IHOP or appoints the person who hires the waitresses at IHOP?
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:06 pm to
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it is the responsibility and duty of the people to fully cooperate with the police if they are stopped for whatever reason and asked to show their ID even if they have done nothing wrong.
Is this a written law (and if so, link?) or just your opinion?


ETA: Because if it is the written law, then there can be no doubt that we live in a police state.
If it's only your opinion, then I'll check you off as just another moron posting to this board.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 3:19 pm
Posted by Sevendust912
Member since Jun 2013
11487 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:06 pm to
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What do you want the police to do when they request someone to produce an ID and the person refuses then starts to walk away?


Personally, I'd like them to not harass citizens that have committed no crime and are minding their own business.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:07 pm to
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Do you elect the person who hires the waitresses at IHOP


yes
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:12 pm to
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Do you elect the person who hires the waitresses at IHOP


quote:

yes


How do you do that and when did you do that?

Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60725 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:15 pm to
In the fall elextions, at the booth.
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