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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:18 pm to Sevendust912
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:18 pm to Sevendust912
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Personally, I'd like them to not harass citizens that have committed no crime and are minding their own business.
I'd like you to stop splitting infinitives but you obviously aren't going to stop.
How do the police know that citizen has committed no crime and is just minding their business if they can't identify that citizen?
That citizen could have a felony warrant issued for their arrest for murdering someone.
Do you want the police to let that citizen go simply because the citizen refuses to show a proper ID?
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:19 pm to DawgfaninCa
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What do you want the police to do when someone refuses to show an ID that proves who they really are then resists being detained?
In a supposedly free country, not force an innocent man to show an ID by violence.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:20 pm to DawgfaninCa
Why do police have to get a search warrant, ever?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:21 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Do you want the police to let that citizen go simply because the citizen refuses to show a proper ID?
Yes, I do want them to let him go. There was no solid evidence that he did anything wrong.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:23 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:I agree. There should be checkpoints on every mile of road and citizens should be routinely stopped on the street to show their papers. I mean, how else are we going to know that the guy standing next to us at the Wal-Mart checkout isn't a hardened criminal?
How do the police know that citizen has committed no crime and is just minding their business if they can't identify that citizen?
That citizen could have a felony warrant issued for their arrest for murdering someone.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:26 pm to tigerfoot
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Why do police have to get a search warrant, ever?
Go fricking hire an attorney if you don't know the answer.
The police have the legal authority to stop you in public and ask you for a proper ID if they have reason to suspect you committed a crime even if you didn't commit a crime. If you refuse to show it then they have the legal authority to detain you until they can determine your true identity even if you didn't commit a crime.
Why are you so unwilling to do your duty as a citizen and fully cooperate with the police even if you didn't commit a crime?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:29 pm to Sevendust912
Double post
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:29 pm to Sevendust912
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Yes, I do want them to let him go. There was no solid evidence that he did anything wrong.
I can't figure out why we're in such a hurry to detain people in minor situations. Sometimes it provokes reactions in the heat of the moment.
It wasn't like this innocent man was going to walk off the face of the earth and couldn't be found again.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:31 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:You seem informed beyond what the papers have printed, so it's strange you've never stated affirmatively as to whether the deceased actually had ID. Did he?
Why are you so unwilling to do your duty as a citizen and fully cooperate with the police even if you didn't commit a crime?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:32 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Why are you so unwilling to do your duty as a citizen and fully cooperate with the police even if you didn't commit a crime?
Because a high number of police officers are mindless thugs who are looking to start an altercation
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:32 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Why are you so unwilling to do your duty as a citizen and fully cooperate with the police even if you didn't commit a crime?
Is that a serious question?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:32 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:Exactly.
Their job is to protect and serve the people.
It is NOT to be judge and jury.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:34 pm to DawgfaninCa
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How do the police know that citizen has committed no crime and is just minding their business if they can't identify that citizen?
I understand in todays society, gender is a bit confusing. But the fight was between two women. Why would they think he was a suspect?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:35 pm to TX Tiger
quote:. . . and executioner
It is NOT to be judge and jury
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:36 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:Is this a written law (and if so, link?) or just your opinion?
it is the responsibility and duty of the people to fully cooperate with the police if they are stopped for whatever reason and asked to show their ID even if they have done nothing wrong.
Because if it is the written law, then there can be no doubt that we live in a police state.
If it's only your opinion, then I'll check you off as just another moron posting to this board.
Which is it?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:43 pm to C
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I understand in todays society, gender is a bit confusing. But the fight was between two women. Why would they think he was a suspect?
The police were called to the scene because someone called them and told them a violent domestic dispute occurred but didn't tell the police who was involved so the police didn't know the dispute was between the mother and her daughter. The police approached the man to ask him some questions and asked for his ID. If the man had fully cooperated with the police by showing his ID and told the police it was the mother who hit her daughter then the police would not have had to detain him and he would still be alive.
It was his mistake not the police officers' mistake that cost him his life.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:43 pm to DawgfaninCa
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The police have the legal authority to stop you in public and ask you for a proper ID if they have reason to suspect you committed a crime even if you didn't commit a crime
Not in every State
Only in the red ones.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:48 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:
It was his mistake not the police officers' mistake that cost him his life.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:51 pm to TX Tiger
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Is this a written law (and if so, link?) or just your opinion?
Because if it is the written law, then there can be no doubt that we live in a police state.
If it's only your opinion, then I'll check you off as just another moron posting to this board.
Go hire an attorney if you don't know the law. It's not my job to prove it to you by spending my time to find you a link.
If you think we are living in a police state because you are required to show a proper ID when requested to by the police then you want anarchy because every criminal wanted by the police will just refuse to identify themselves when stopped by the police if they are not required to do so.
quote:
Which is it?
It is the law and you are a moron if you don't know it.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:51 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:In Nazi Germany, yes.
It was his mistake not the police officers' mistake that cost him his life.
In the United States....not just yet. But if people like you have your way, it will be.
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