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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:48 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:48 pm to bencoleman
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The truth is the cops got a domestic violence call which usually means a guy smacking a woman. They pulled up saw the man and woman and zero'd in on the man. When he was less than cooperative this was all the excuse they needed. They took him down. The poor woman could see that they were killing her husband and begged for his life. The cops couldn't see it because they didn't care about his life to begin with. The worst is the two real Pieces of shite that tried to block her from filming and tried to remove her from the scene because they knew they had just killed the man. Also Pardon me because I missed the part in the video where the EMTs tried to revive the man.
That could very well be the truth, but at this point non of us know it to be fact.
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Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:54 pm to DawgfaninCa
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What are the police supposed to do when someone gets combative and refuses to cooperate while being questioned?
They certainly aren't supposed to murder them. I realize we have low expectations for police behavior, but you'd think even 5 police officers would be able to handle an unarmed man without killing him.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:01 pm to Sevendust912
quote:My buddies used to have about 1/2 a fifth of whiskey in them and they always seemed to do a pretty good job of subduing people a the bar without killing them. I never realized they had such a rare talent. Who knew
They certainly aren't supposed to murder them. I realize we have low expectations for police behavior, but you'd think even 5 police officers would be able to handle an unarmed man without killing him.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:01 pm to Alahunter
quote:"What are you doing?
seems to infer that you wished to evoke an emotional response.
HE ISN'T MOVING"
"YOU'RE KILLING HIM"
Emotional response?
Those are factual observations made concomitant to the event. They may be emotional, but the facts speak for themselves.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:05 pm to lsupride87
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My buddies used to have about 1/2 a fifth of whiskey in them and they always seemed to do a pretty good job of subduing people a the bar without killing them. I never realized they had such a rare talent. Who knew
Makes you wonder what the hell they teach these guys at the academy. Police generally fall into a few categories, mainly the nerd who got picked on in school and the meathead who wasn't smart enough to get a real job. Both of these types of cops are disgusting and dangerous, and should not be trusted.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:06 pm to NC_Tigah
Going to Moore tomorrow to do some consulting with their EOC operations. I am thinking I should take my dog to give them a target other than me.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:12 pm to HubbaBubba
I'm going to go ahead and re-post this because I got no response earlier in the thread and would like one of the cop defenders to respond.
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When those consequences mean possible death don't you think we should be careful to put people of the utmost professionalism at the helm? Then if they make a mistake have them held to a higher standard than the normal citizen being that their actions possibly hold the lives of others in their hands?
Any other profession that is in charge of protecting human life is held to a higher degree, and if negligence is used then the consequences are severe. Yet we seem to hear these stories about cops on a daily basis with them getting off with nothing but a slap on the wrist.
Do you not see anything wrong with that?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:14 pm to SammyTiger
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We aren't saying that we assume the cops did the right thing. Just wait to make an opinion of the facts nstead of an assumption.
Again, this looks like a double standard. We have to assume the cops's innocence, yet the cops can assume guilt?
In this very thread Ala recounted a story about how a cop saw some citizens on the side of the road, not engaged in any obvious illegal activity, and yet he stopped and detained them. Why? Was the cop simply performing his duty of protecting and serving? Or did he assume that these citizens were up to no good, without evidence, and stopped them for questioning?
Cops assume guilt ALL the time, yet we are supposed to wait for the evidence. Why didn't the cops wait for the evidence before killing the man in the OP?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:14 pm to rintintin
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I'm going to go ahead and re-post this because I got no response earlier in the thread and would like one of the cop defenders to respond.
you won't get a response, at least not a good one or one that is based in reality.
Citizens are held to a higher standard of behavior then police, and there is something wrong with that.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:18 pm to Sevendust912
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Citizens are held to a higher standard of behavior then Gov't/celebrity, and there is something wrong with that
not just police.
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Having carefully reviewed all of the facts and circumstances of this matter, as it does in every case involving firearms-related offenses or any other potential violation of D.C. law within our criminal jurisdiction, OAG has determined to exercise its prosecutorial discretion to decline to bring criminal charges against Mr. Gregory, who has no criminal record, or any other NBC employee based on the events associated with the December 23, 2012 broadcast.
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Now the same Attorney General, Irvin B. Nathan, who failed to bring charges against Gregory, is doing everything he can to make the life of D.C. business and family man Mark Witaschek (who, like Gregory, doesn't have a criminal record) a living hell.
Police found a single empty shotgun shell and muzzleloader sabots (lead balls), no guns. Witaschek is facing jail time as a result of those finds and prosecutors are arguing Witaschek was in illegal possession of "ammunition" even though neither the empty shotgun shell casing or the sabots can be fired without other components.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:20 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:WildTchoup, you nailed it.
Again, this looks like a double standard. We have to assume the cops's innocence, yet the cops can assume guilt?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:33 pm to Alahunter
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And if they're found to have used excessive force, and guilty of this man's death as a result of it, I and others who have stated, that we should wait for more info, will be happy to condemn them, at that time
Since you've already alluded to the fact you think the mans actions got him killed by not complying or being civil, I'd like to see this.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:37 pm to Sevendust912
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Police generally fall into a few categories, mainly the nerd who got picked on in school and the meathead who wasn't smart enough to get a real job.
I disagree. I have an MBA and I played both football and track. I worked in the private sector for much of my life until I could comfortably move on to doing something I wanted to do and that is police work.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:39 pm to DanTiger
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I have an MBA
yet you believed a government shutdown this past fall would affect the federal reserve.....
a degree didn't convey intelligence, it's a piece of paper
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:41 pm to DanTiger
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I disagree. I have an MBA and I played both football and track. I worked in the private sector for much of my life until I could comfortably move on to doing something I wanted to do and that is police work.
Fair enough, but I said "generally" fall into those categories. I am not sure of the standards to become a cop, but looking at some of the "officers" that make it out of the academy, they must be pretty low.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:44 pm to CptBengal
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yet you believed a government shutdown this past fall would affect the federal reserve.....
a degree didn't convey intelligence, it's a piece of paper
Absolutely. I believed a govt shutdown would affect the value of our dollar in the world market place as well as the rating of our bonds. Was I wrong? You are correct in your statement that a degree does not necessarily make one intelligent. I have no worries about my intelligence as I know what my IQ is as it was required for admittance to both my grade school and an association that I belong t.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:48 pm to Sevendust912
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Fair enough, but I said "generally" fall into those categories. I am not sure of the standards to become a cop, but looking at some of the "officers" that make it out of the academy, they must be pretty low.
Generally a high school diploma and an admittance test are required. While these are not stellar standards they are more stringent thn most job requirements. I have stated numerous times that the more you pay the better the candidates will be but who wants to pay higher taxes? If you paid a 100K salary to cops you would have a great pool to draw from but somebody has to pay that salary. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:53 pm to SammyTiger
To all of those in this thread who keep saying "we don't know what happened before the video started" or "wait for the facts to come out," please give an example of anything that the dead man could have done earlier to justify 5 cops (or actually 3 cops and 2 off-duty game wardens) piling on top of him for several minutes while he was face down on the ground and not moving?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:01 pm to DanTiger
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Generally a high school diploma and an admittance test are required. While these are not stellar standards they are more stringent thn most job requirements.
When I went through the process in the 90's we took three exams. One was written, took about 6 hours. Next was the interview and if you scored high enough on those, they gave you the psych. The psych was hundredds of redundant questions.
Out of hundreds of people who tested they called the top 5 in for further interviews. Most had college degrees and I'd say more than half were current officers in the lower 48
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:02 pm to Alahunter
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Do you think he'd be dead, if he hadn't run?
Is this your threshold for lethal force, you would have no issue with the cops just shooting him in the back as he ran away, it would be the same thing?
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