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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:12 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:12 pm to NC_Tigah
Yes. Those. What happened before the video clip that you saw? Do you think you have the full context of the event, or do you believe you could be influenced by an emotional response to the part you did see?
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Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:13 pm to Sevendust912
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That's another thing that is a problem. Not showing these thugs the level of respect they think they are entitled to is considered "resisting" or "combative behavior"
That is a ridiculous generalization. I cannot tell you how many times I have been flipped off while simply driving in my unit and had nothing to do but drive away. I will admit I always look for any vehicle infractions when I am flipped off but if I don't see anything I move on to other things.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:13 pm to Alahunter
What does it matter? The guy is unarmed and outnumbered. There's no reason he should be dead. If you have a guy outnumbered 5 to 1 and you can't detain him without killing him, then that tells me you're un-fricking-professional and have no fricking business being a cop.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:15 pm to Patrick O Rly
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There's no reason he should be dead
Has the autopsy report been released, with the cause of death? I haven't seen it if it has been. Or are we still making assumptions, based off emotion at this point?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:17 pm to Alahunter
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Has the autopsy report been released, with the cause of death? I haven't seen it if it has been. Or are we still making assumptions, based off emotion at this point?
We're making assumptions based on the video tape. Guy was alive, jumped by police, and died. You really think he'd be dead right now if that hadn't occurred?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:17 pm to Alahunter
If it's completely unrelated to the events, then I will apologize.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:17 pm to Alahunter
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Yes. Those. What happened before the video clip that you saw? Do you think you have the full context of the event, or do you believe you could be influenced by an emotional response to the part you did see?
This is simply the way of all message boards in my opinion. People take extreme points on every topic that they would never stand behind, to the same degree, in a personal encounter.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:19 pm to Alahunter
Let's see, assumptions based on number of people involved, video tape, the fact that someone is dead after engaging in no violence, or...
Assumptions based on the assumption that cops generally do the right thing.
I'll go with the former.
Assumptions based on the assumption that cops generally do the right thing.
I'll go with the former.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:21 pm to Alahunter
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Has the autopsy report been released, with the cause of death? I haven't seen it if it has been. Or are we still making assumptions, based off emotion at this point?
Man is involved in altercation with 5 cops. Man is unarmed and ends up dead. Cops leave unscathed. Maybe I am making assumptions, but they seem pretty damn logical.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We're making assumptions based on the video tape
Clearly.
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You really think he'd be dead right now if that hadn't occurred?
I dunno. Cause of death hasn't been determined yet. Did they just see this innocent guy, and say, hey.. let's jump the hell out of this guy! Or, hey.. let's kill him, we got nothing better to do! or, hey... 5 on 1! Screw answering the call on the beaten child! Or do you think it's possible that there is more to it than what the video shows?
Do you think he'd be dead, if he hadn't run?
If he hadn't been combative, allegedly?
If his wife hadn't smacked their child around?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:23 pm to Patrick O Rly
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If it's completely unrelated to the events, then I will apologize.
And if they're found to have used excessive force, and guilty of this man's death as a result of it, I and others who have stated, that we should wait for more info, will be happy to condemn them, at that time.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:23 pm to Alahunter
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Did they just see this innocent guy, and say, hey.. let's jump the hell out of this guy
Sadly, there is a realistic chance of this being the case. Lets not pretend police are above this type of behavior.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:24 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:I have seen a thousand people in Tigerland be subdued by multiple drunk college aged bouncers. And not a single damn one resulted in a death. Maybe we should hire the Reggies bouncers to train our police, they could teach them a thing or two
What does it matter? The guy is unarmed and outnumbered. There's no reason he should be dead. If you have a guy outnumbered 5 to 1 and you can't detain him without killing him, then that tells me you're un-fricking-professional and have no fricking business being a cop.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:24 pm to Alahunter
quote:Not a chance in hell to the latter. Unfortunately, I've seen more than my share of hypoxic loss of consciousness. No emotion to the observation. It is what it is. The wife was describing it real time on video.
do you believe you could be influenced by an emotional response to the part you did see?
Trust me, if the biggest, meanest, baddest human being in the entire world loses consciousness d/t hypoxia, it does not take multiple men to cuff him. It does not take multiple men laying on him to subdue him. Again, not emotion, just fact based on the recording we did see.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:28 pm to NC_Tigah
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The cries "What are you doing?! He isn't moving!!" "Stop! You're killing him!"
Those cries?
That post, seems to infer that you wished to evoke an emotional response. Am I wrong to have interpreted it that way?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:32 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Set up a society where there are no cops to protect you and see if you are left to live your life without interference from vicious criminals.
What a fricking illogical response. As if there's no middle ground between no cops and violent statist pigs. Nice one.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:34 pm to Alahunter
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And if they're found to have used excessive force, and guilty of this man's death as a result of it, I and others who have stated, that we should wait for more info, will be happy to condemn them, at that time.
Except they probably will get off relatively easy if they are found guilty of excessive force, and that's the whole problem.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:35 pm to Alahunter
The truth is the cops got a domestic violence call which usually means a guy smacking a woman. They pulled up saw the man and woman and zero'd in on the man. When he was less than cooperative this was all the excuse they needed. They took him down. The poor woman could see that they were killing her husband and begged for his life. The cops couldn't see it because they didn't care about his life to begin with. The worst is the two real Pieces of shite that tried to block her from filming and tried to remove her from the scene because they knew they had just killed the man. Also Pardon me because I missed the part in the video where the EMTs tried to revive the man.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:46 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Grow the frick up. If you are innocent and arrested you cooperate with the police and go through the courts to clear your name. I've had to do it. Otherwise, you are asking for trouble.
holy shite, you really believe this? So citizens should just sit back and accept whatever cops decide to do?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:47 pm to Pettifogger
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Let's see, assumptions based on number of people involved, video tape, the fact that someone is dead after engaging in no violence, or...
Assumptions based on the assumption that cops generally do the right thing.
I'll go with the former.
We aren't saying that we assume the cops did the right thing. Just wait to make an opinion of the facts nstead of an assumption.
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