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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:24 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:24 pm to Alahunter
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Their job is to take control of a situation to prevent it from escalating. As I said, don't act a heathern, don't get treated like one.
Not sure if serious.
Are you a big statist?
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:26 pm to Alahunter
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I doubt seriously they got together and said, hey, lets go kill this guy.
If that's how your brain works you're more retarded than I thought.
Of course they didn't huddle up and say 'let's kill this guy'
Man, you're one dense sonofabitch.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:26 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:The cops were already at the scene, responding to a previous call. When the mother and daughter started fighting, a random citizen alerted them.
Mom slaps 19 yr old daughter for being disrespectful. Police swarm (as they often do when the cops have absolutely nothing to do). Accost the man whom they presume is at fault in the dispute. Five of them pepper spray him in the mouth, eyes, and ears. Throw him to the ground. Lay on top of him.
Then this shite happened. The video is excruciating.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:26 pm to Alahunter
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Had he calmly stated his name, do you think he'd be dead today?
So you believe the guys emotional state was reason enough for him to be killed?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:27 pm to EA6B
It looks like the cops killed him by asphyxiation.
Nothing to see here, move along.
Nothing to see here, move along.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:27 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Irrelevant to the event.
you don't know anything that happened from that video.
So you are making a lot of assumptions.
Obviously death seems extreme in this incident, but there is no way of knowing why he died (Freak reaction to pepper spray?) or why they peppered sprayed him in the first place.
People keep saying things like "you have no way of knowing why he died", well, I'm calling bullshite on that one. We know exactly why he died.
The actions of the cops. Unless you can prove to me that he would've died at that moment in time without the cops involved, all 5 of them are culpable.
Also, any one of us would be in prison right now had we done what they did. But not these guys. They can disregard laws that affect the rest of us. Hell, they don't even adhere to simple laws such as speed limits.
Like I said, we hold these people to a lower standard than the average citizen, and that is sad.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:27 pm to Alahunter
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I will give them some room
Dead guy has none
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I doubt seriously they got together and said, hey, lets go kill this guy.
Prisons are crowded with people in the same boat. Exactly where more cops should be.
If more cops would come out and condemn and help bring justice to the bad cops, then all would not be painted with such a wide brush.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So you believe the guys emotional state was reason enough for him to be killed?
refusal to show ID and becoming combative is what the cops told the lady.
Apparently one of the cops was bleeding.
Seems to be there is some missing evidence.
But whatever frick the police right?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:28 pm to GumboPot
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It looks like the cops killed him by asphyxiation.
Nothing to see here, move along.
You ever watch that old show Cops? Guy doesn't do exactly what the officer says, even if the orders aren't clear, they jump on him and pin the guy.
Not isolated, seems to be systematic.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:28 pm to Scruffy
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Then the guy was killed by the person who used the pepper spray on him. That is a fact
You have amazing medical skills to tell that from a post and video. A real life Psych detective, I tell ya.
It's not possible, he had a heart attack, an aneurism or some other underlying issue that contributed to the situation, at all.
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A cop's job also isn't to put himself and others in positions like this.
They safely made their way home that evening, no other assaults took place.
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An unarmed man who wasn't a threat to anyone around him
They may have discovered that, had the man COOPERATED. I know.. that's a really novel concept.
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You condemn the non-cop and hold him to a higher standard than those who have the ability to assault and possibly murder regular citizens. That just amazes me
I think everyone should act civilized, and not like a damn heathern. As I said, it's unfortunate how things turned out, but if people weren't so arrogant to think there are no consequences to being trashy in public, there may not be as many situations. Act like a productive member of society and be respectful to EVERYONE, and there will be a next to no chance of something like this happening to you.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:29 pm to SammyTiger
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But whatever frick the police right?
Never been my stance.
frick the power they've been given over the citizenry.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:29 pm to novabill
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So are you saying the cops should be held accountable for their actions or not?
If it's shown that they have lied or deliberately tried to kill the guy, or a jury or judge finds they acted outside the scope of their duty, sure.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:29 pm to EA6B
This was posted earlier. That video was really hard to watch.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:30 pm to SammyTiger
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Apparently one of the cops was bleeding.
One tough dead dude, to bloody a cop when an army of them are on top of you, and you cannot breath.
Yes, screw the cops. They are thugs working as a gang. Why do they get a pass? If this was us, all of us that attacked the dead guy would be behind bars.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:30 pm to Alahunter
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I think everyone should act civilized, and not like a damn heathern. As I said, it's unfortunate how things turned out, but if people weren't so arrogant to think there are no consequences to being trashy in public, there may not be as many situations. Act like a productive member of society and be respectful to EVERYONE, and there will be a next to no chance of something like this happening to you.
The 1950's which some of you apparently long for weren't this pollyanna-ish.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So you believe the guys emotional state was reason enough for him to be killed?
That's not quite an answer to the question, asked. The question you posed, infers that they intended to kill him based on his emotional state.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:31 pm to SammyTiger
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But whatever frick the police right?
Yes, right. The dead citizen always deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:33 pm to novabill
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One tough dead dude, to bloody a cop when an army of them are on top of you, and you cannot breath.
or before they did that. But please fill us in with your eye witness account.
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Yes, screw the cops. They are thugs working as a gang. Why do they get a pass? If this was us, all of us that attacked the dead guy would be behind bars.
We have no idea how this went down. everyone just want to blame the cops.
It sucks that this guy died, but we have no idea why this happened.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:35 pm to Alahunter
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If it's shown that they have lied or deliberately tried to kill the guy, or a jury or judge finds they acted outside the scope of their duty, sure.
Cannot believe you admitted this much.
Now, should the cops be given more latitude in killing people than you or I?
Can I kill someone for being disrespectful or non compliant and get your support?
The problem is not the death as bad as it is. Cops all too often abuse people and not much is said because no one is dead. Cops will always want to excuse another cop because he puts his life on the line, it is a tough job, they never know when they may kill someone and will need the code to protect them.
This is why some do not tear up like others do when they hear about the death of a LEO. Often my 1st thought is " I wonder if they deserved it".
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