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re: Make Mental Institutions Great Again?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:45 am to lsucoonass
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:45 am to lsucoonass
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We need a mental health overhaul, we need much more than just state institutions
This can’t be stated enough. The current ones that receive federal funding are vastly understaffed and lack meaningful resources. This is solely due to lack of funding. DOGE has only compounded the issue.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 8:53 am
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Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:45 am to stout
Who is going to pay for these involuntary commitments? Especially now that the federal government is forcing states to do everything in their power to disqualify people from Medicaid?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:48 am to 4cubbies
35 years serving the mentally ill and those diagnosed with IDD - inpatient settings
The only abusers of those in need for treatment and care were the advocates. A foundational assumption - institutionalized is bad - does not bode well for the person in need. Try again - oh wait - you are unable because the enlightened are truly the most closed minded among us
The only abusers of those in need for treatment and care were the advocates. A foundational assumption - institutionalized is bad - does not bode well for the person in need. Try again - oh wait - you are unable because the enlightened are truly the most closed minded among us
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:50 am to 4cubbies
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The government should not be allowed to involuntary commit citizens at its discretion
This already occurs daily in the emergency rooms across the US and has been occurring for decades. There is a form filled out to keep people on 72 hour hold where they are bounced from mental hospital to homeless to ED for years on end. One could argue it would be more humane to put these people in a stable environment where they have an assigned room, stable food supply and stable medication administration. And I would be willing to bet 95% of their families would sign them up for this today.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:50 am to LegendInMyMind
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That was part of our solution, though not necessarily by choice. County and local jails have bore the brunt of our collapsing public mental healthcare in this country. Those local and county jails aren't equipped to handle the influx of truly sick people. They don't have the space, the manpower, the funding, or the expertise to handle this issue. It has lead to shitty, abusive care and a revolving door for those who need help the most. Jails are not the answer to our mental healthcare crisis in this country.
I agree 100% with what you stated. That is why I said, make jails that serve primarily as treatment centers. Even though a good portion of those in jails are mentally ill, jails might have one contracted psychiatric prescriber who gives them a few hours a week on Zoom.
I should have worded it better to state mental health centers that also serve as jails. Fully staffed mental health centers that also serve as jails. Equally as important would be the discharge/ release planning process and follow up in the community upon release. But those really don’t exist due to lack of resources in the community, which is solely due to lack of funding.
They’re definitely needs to be an overhaul of the mental health system. That’s going to take much more than an executive order.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 8:54 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:54 am to LSUTANGERINE
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That is why I said, make jails that serve primarily as treatment centers.
This statement acknowledges that jail is not the appropriate consequence for drug use, but you still want people to go to jails for drug use. Or are you describing these facilities as jails because staying there would be mandated?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:57 am to 4cubbies
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Seems like a giant overreach.
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Authorizes involuntary civil commitment of individuals who are homeless and suffering from untreated mental illness or addiction.
Yeah there’s no way this would be abused.
Yeah, I'm sure... and the guy in the middle would like a word with you ...
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:58 am to 10tiger
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One could argue it would be more humane to put these people in a stable environment where they have an assigned room, stable food supply and stable medication administration.
Are you implying that this is what the EO is mandating? Because these places would need to be built.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:00 am to LegendInMyMind
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That was part of our solution, though not necessarily by choice. County and local jails have bore the brunt of our collapsing public mental healthcare in this country. Those local and county jails aren't equipped to handle the influx of truly sick people. They don't have the space, the manpower, the funding, or the expertise to handle this issue. It has lead to shitty, abusive care and a revolving door for those who need help the most. Jails are not the answer to our mental healthcare crisis in this country.
This times a million
A lot of these people need help. They do not need jail, and jail is not a deterrent to them anyway. They do a quick month in and are right back to their lifestyle as soon as they get out.
They need actual help from facilities equipped to help them.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:01 am to 4cubbies
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Who is going to pay for these involuntary commitments?
How about using the BILLIONS of dollars wasted on giving them free housing (that they destroy and turn into drug dens), free needles, free crack smoking kits, free, free, free, etc etc etc.
Reminder it’s not free we pay for it with taxes that get funneled to NGO’s.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:02 am to 4cubbies
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Seems like a giant overreach.
Your gaped arse it is. This has been the norm all 50 years of my life when someone poses a threat to themselves or others. Back when people weren't shitting in the streets and snorting tranq.
Go give your man an overreach around.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 9:05 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:03 am to 4cubbies
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This statement acknowledges that jail is not the appropriate consequence for drug use, but you still want people to go to jails for drug use. Or are you describing these facilities as jails because staying there would be mandated?
The latter. Jail is an appropriate consequence for illegal activity. I am describing the facilities as jails because it would be mandated.
EDT: i’m not the one who downvoted you. I thought it was a legitimate question asking for a clarification.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 9:05 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:05 am to 4cubbies
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Especially now that the federal government is forcing states to do everything in their power to disqualify people from Medicaid?
Honest question because I have no idea, but are addicts getting kicked off Medicaid?
Quick story. A guy I had hired from a sober living facility wanted to go home for a visit from Lake Charles to Baton Rouge one weeknd. He had no car and didn't want to buy a bus ticket so he used his Medicaid to pay for an ambulance there and back. Maybe if addicts didn't do abusive shite like that then there would be no push to kick them off.
FWIW, when he told me that Monday what he had done, I told the guy running the facility not to send him back to work for me. I don't condone that sort of abuse of the system.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:06 am to stout
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They need actual help from facilities equipped to help them.
Republicans have been defunding these facilities since Reagan. Locally, Jindal ensured there would be next to none of these available for public use when he was governor.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:07 am to stout
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Honest question because I have no idea, but are addicts getting kicked off Medicaid?
Addicts aren’t known for maintaining employment.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:08 am to 4cubbies
I’m implying that the left takes the easy way out, and makes blanket statements for political sound bites without knowing anything about the subject matter on which they speak. “It’s inhumane for the government to step in and institutionalize people against their will.” Sounds great. But because of that thought process you have an entire population of mentally ill people who would far better be served in an environment where their mental and physical health is attended to, where they are not committing crimes, where they are not homeless, and where they are not a stressor on their families who have laughable government resources or help with the situation. Jail is not where these people belong. Homeless is not where these people belong. Jumping from psych hospital to psych hospital is doing them no benefit. I didn’t say that the EO would do this but it’s a step in the right direction and better than the alternative of turning your head in the other direction for the sake of a half baked political stance. Spend a day wrestling with a patient having an entirely preventable episode and then having he or she return in a month because there is no resource for that person. Watch them year over year decline in health and watch their families struggle. You’d change your mind.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:10 am to Sweep Da Leg
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How about using the BILLIONS of dollars wasted on giving them free housing (that they destroy and turn into drug dens), free needles, free crack smoking kits, free, free, free, etc etc etc.
It came out this week that San Fran alone has over 200 non-profits that receive state and federal funds to help the homeless. That is one metro and 200 organizations all offering redundant services and the problem continues to get worse and is a societal drain. Now imagine the billions when you spread that across the entire nation.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:12 am to stout
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Critics argue it criminalizes homelessness and revives outdated models of psychiatric institutionalization that have historically led to abuse or neglect.
Yes... because turning them loose in the streets has worked out so much better for them and society at large.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:13 am to 4cubbies
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Locally, Jindal ensured there would be next to none of these available for public use when he was governor.
I absolutely remember that. The downward spiral of the mental health system in the state began not long afterwards.
And he lied his arse off. I know this for a fact. He stated that the New Orleans adolescent hospital (NOAH) was not being utilized. That was a flat out lie. There was a waiting list for teenagers. They were so full that they frequently turned people away and had to find other locations.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:13 am to SlayTime
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Yes. In addition to removing the illegals, we need to remove hundreds of thousands of mentally ill people from society. It’s not compassionate to let an insane unstable potential violent person have free will.
Much like illegals, mentally ill people tend to make up a large chunk of the Dem voting base.
Either as harvesting targets or as actual operatives.
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