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re: Make Mental Institutions Great Again?

Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:46 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297469 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:46 pm to
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I support public education.



Thern you should want it fixed, to save it

We are failing badly.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59277 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:46 pm to
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Even so, paying sales tax does not give them the right to set up camp/home in the park.


If someone cannot afford a home, where would you allow them to sleep? Mars?
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17645 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:49 pm to
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I complain way more about Landry and Cantrell than Trump.


Well I certainly agree with you on these two knuckleheads.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34139 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:51 pm to
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Link of these posts of mine that supports expanded government. It should be easy since your claims every post I’ve ever made does this.


You made an entire thread about how the government fails foster kids and should do more.

You have made threads criticizing Louisiana for not funding (or considering not funding) school meal programs during the summers.

Both of these things are expanded government. These are just off the top of my head. I don't need to delve into your crazy arse post history on a Friday afternoon.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59277 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:56 pm to
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You made an entire thread about how the government fails foster kids and should do more.


I didn’t say the government should do more. I asked what society should do.

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You have made threads criticizing Louisiana for not funding (or considering not funding) school meal programs during the summers.

I pointed out the hypocrisy of LA government pretending to care about babies and kids but not actually caring about if they have food.


Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179701 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:59 pm to
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If someone cannot afford a home, where would you allow them to sleep? Mars?


FYI, there are homeless people, and then there are unsheltered people. Homeless individuals are generally not living in parks because they usually receive assistance, as they are not struggling with mental disorders or addiction.

For those individuals, there are numerous housing options available. Section 8 is the most common, but there are also LIHTC housing programs, local public housing authorities, and more.

This doesn’t even include the homeless shelters or charities that exist.

The truth you fail to acknowledge is that most unsheltered people are homeless due to addiction or mental health issues.

Those people still do not have the right to take over a park and be a public nuisance because they paid some sales tax on a sandwich once.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59277 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 4:09 pm to
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FYI, there are homeless people, and then there are unsheltered people.


Even I don’t play these semantics games. “Unsheltered” is homeless.

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Homeless individuals are generally not living in parks because they usually receive assistance, as they are not struggling with mental disorders or addiction.

So who are homeless people according to your definition? People waking from their houses to their cars?

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For those individuals, there are numerous housing options available. Section 8 is the most common,
The waiting list for section 8 is years long if it’s even open at all in most places. There are more than 20,000 families on the waiting list in New Orleans. In Lake Charles, Public Housing and Section 8 waiting lists are currently CLOSED and not accepting new applications at this time per the housing authority’s website.

The most common housing assistance is shelters, which are often full.

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This doesn’t even include the homeless shelters or charities that exist.

Right. Do you think there is actually enough housing for everyone who lives on the streets and they just choose not to accept it?

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The truth you fail to acknowledge is that most unsheltered people are homeless due to addiction or mental health issues.

. I’ve acknowledged this.


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Those people still do not have the right to take over a park and be a public nuisance because they paid some sales tax on a sandwich once.
where is someone who doesn’t have a place to live and can’t access a shelter allowed to sleep in your eyes?


Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34139 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 4:10 pm to
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I didn’t say the government should do more. I asked what society should do.



LOL, OK. Foster kids are currently taken care of through a government program. Any expansion of that would also be a government program.

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I pointed out the hypocrisy of LA government pretending to care about babies and kids but not actually caring about if they have food.


You wanted the government to expand a government program, as I stated.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35783 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 4:11 pm to
They’re all closed and most are abandoned or repurposed by now. It’s not like we can just reopen them.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 4:14 pm to
This really needs to be done, the overreaction to what flew over the cuckoos nest and some bad abuse scandals basically ended mental institutions, and know we just put crazy people in jail
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59277 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 4:14 pm to
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LOL, OK. Foster kids are currently taken care of through a government program. Any expansion of that would also be a government program.


Do you consider restructuring government programs expanding them?

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You wanted the government to expand a government program, as I stated.


As I stated, I pointed out the hypocrisy of LA lawmakers sky screaming about saving babies and kids but not actually caring if their basic needs are met.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34139 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 4:17 pm to
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where is someone who doesn’t have a place to live and can’t access a shelter allowed to sleep in your eyes?


Not on public streets or in public parks.

I can't even make a minor alteration to my business without multiple permits and inspections, yet a homeless person can erect a living structure on a public thoroughfare.

It is impossible to justify the concept of zoning laws and building restrictions, while also allowing homeless people to live on public streets, parks and sidewalks.

Put them in jail, put them in institutions, make Soylent Green out of them, IDGAF. They are making the world miserable for millions of people. It's a sad fact that a certain percentage of the population is not compatible with civilized life.


Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34139 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 4:21 pm to
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Do you consider restructuring government programs expanding them?



How would you take care of foster kids past 18 without an expansion?

Government programs only expand. They don't retract. If you restructure, you are just expanding, because the current expenditures will not cease.
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As I stated, I pointed out the hypocrisy of LA lawmakers sky screaming about saving babies and kids but not actually caring if their basic needs are met.


So you were not actually for expanding the school meals program into the summer? You wanted to kids to go hungry during the summer? You were just joking about being for it?
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
3104 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 4:23 pm to
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Why do you think you can detain someone


As far as for the homeless....

For the good of society.

Besides, homeless are a major health concern for all. They are more suseptable to infectious disease. Couple that with their prevalence in urban areas and that is trouble waiting to happen.

I mean it is for the greater safety (slightly sarcastic, but dead serious).

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It doesn’t matter what I think or you think.


Also point out that what you or I think most certainly matters. Isn't that what voting is for. I really wish they would put this to popular vote across the country. I would wager that your stance would lose....democratically of course.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 4:27 pm
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24137 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 5:45 pm to
Would help a lot!
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
Sanford Stadium
Member since Jan 2024
1755 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 7:48 pm to
Thanks.

I outgrew the Libertarian mindset when I turned 30. It has some good ideas but doesn’t exactly transpose into pragmatism for reality.
It’s similar to Communism in that aspect.
Posted by PurpleSingularity
Member since Dec 2017
2593 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 7:52 pm to



This is awesome and should be celebrated….it can be a rebirth of some great American cities….

and Baton Rouge
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