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re: Maine SoS: I Found Trump Guilty of Thing He Wasn’t Charged with Using a Lower Standard
Posted on 1/1/24 at 9:47 pm to roadGator
Posted on 1/1/24 at 9:47 pm to roadGator
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You worry about violence from the right but not the left and you don’t have a side.
Thats a weird take from my post. The Left is obviously capable of violence. But this shot in the dark legal argument doesn't strike me as something people would get violent over if it fails. I mean, worst case scenario for the Left here is we maintain status quo.
But maybe I'm wrong.
Posted on 1/1/24 at 9:53 pm to SCLibertarian
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It should be noted that over one century ago, Eugene Debs, who had been convicted of sedition
Why does that need to be noted? Failure to raise the 14th Amendment against Debs does not mean it cannot be raised today.
Posted on 1/1/24 at 9:56 pm to Dday63
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I'm not saying they are right - in fact they draw a couple of conclusions I disagree with - but it's hard to say their argument "feign logic".
Summation of the article:
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Third, to the extent of any conflict with prior constitutional rules, Section Three repeals, supersedes, or simply satisfies them. This includes the rules against bills of attainder or ex post facto laws, the Due Process Clause, and even the free speech principles of the First Amendment. Fourth, Section Three covers a broad range of conduct against the authority of the constitutional order, including many instances of indirect participation or support as “aid or comfort.” It covers a broad range of former offices, including the Presidency.
This is insanity. These professors are essentially saying that a Presidential candidate can be disqualified unilaterally by a state official for "insurrection" (their definition is far broader than what those who wrote the 14th Amendment would have deemed it to be), simply because they deem it so, since this clause supercedes even the Bill of Rights. You've been on here for weeks pushing this argument. The practical implications of this position are grotesque.
Posted on 1/1/24 at 10:01 pm to Dday63
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Why does that need to be noted?
Because the definition of insurrection has been perverted by the left since J6. What Debs did was closer to the legal definition of insurrection than anything Trump did, yet why wasn't the 14th Amendment brought up then, a mere 55 years after the Civil War's end? Donald Trump gave a damn speech, which doesn't even meet the Brandenburg test for criminality. To compare him to men who waged war against the United States government is ludicrous.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 12:04 am to Dday63
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But maybe I'm wrong.
I’ve never seen you be right.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:47 am to Placekicker
The preponderance of evidence proves she's a fricking piece of shite un-American a-hole.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:49 am to Placekicker
She immediately stayed her "decision"
This was pure theater that everyone bit on.
The progs are masters of this, I will definitely say.
This was pure theater that everyone bit on.
The progs are masters of this, I will definitely say.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:56 am to thebigmuffaletta
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I’m always eagerly awaiting SFP’s hot take in threads like these
He’s patiently awaiting his talking points from CNN
Well the op is from cnn so....
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:15 am to Dday63
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I can assure you, I would not. I don't support any political party, but if a candidate in my party even arguably engaged in insurrection I would expect my party to drop them.
Trump never promoted insurrection. He told the audience to peacefully walk down to the capital. There were idiots busting thru barricades while he was a mile away still giving his speech.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:40 am to jimmy the leg
I think Texas AG is setting the table to counter the Democrats lawfare with his own against Biden. I foresee a litany of red states following suit if SCOTUS allows these frivolous indictments and subjective Democrat actions to stand.
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This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 10:42 am
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:46 am to Dday63
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It means we have a provision in our Constitution that is open to interpretations that sound unfair. Whether you support Trump or not, there some objective interpretation issues that need to be resolved.
There is nothing objective about this. If he is an insurrectionist, find him guilty of it in a court of law and then then take him off the ballots. If you can't even bring up insurrection charges then you can't interpret it that way.
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