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re: Maduro & wife captured, evacuated out of Venezuela. DJT

Posted on 1/3/26 at 8:53 am to
Posted by TigerBogue
Red State, USA
Member since May 2006
1068 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 8:53 am to
Leftists are mentally challenged. Morons!
Posted by LsShoeBAW68
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2021
173 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 8:54 am to
Truly masterful. Fire up the printers, let’s update some history books!
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13268 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 8:54 am to
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Feel less. Think more.



Alright, I think that the United States should not abduct a sovereign nation's leader without a declaration of war. I find the idea that we can just allow the executive branch to unilaterally make these decisions at a minimum defies the spirit of the constitution if not outright unconstitutional.

Furthermore, these sort of actions tend to have unfortunate consequences. I don't know what the blowback from this will be longterm but I suspect that whatever government follow Maduro will not be seen as legitimate but instead an installed foreign proxy. Additionally, this is bad for China and Russia. I suspect they're going to turn the screws on us or one of our allies one way or another over this one.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13871 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 8:56 am to
Roger will be here soon melting hard.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90772 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 8:57 am to
Wrong


quote:

Can A President Strike Without Congressional Approval?
Under the War Powers Act, if the president sends US troops into combat or near conflict, they must tell Congress within 48 hours.

After that, the president can keep troops there for up to 60 days without approval. If Congress doesn't give the green light, the president has 30 more days to pull the troops out, making a maximum of 90 days without official authorisation.

Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
89083 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 8:58 am to
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I think that the United States should not abduct a sovereign nation's leader without a declaration of war.


If the foreign leader is a charged criminal (as Maduro is), I’d prefer he be taken without a declaration of war. Fewer people get hurt. Avoiding out-and-out war is always preferable.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46208 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 8:58 am to
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Additionally, this is bad for China and Russia.


Uh, that would be the point.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
5075 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 8:59 am to
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This is a Belin Wall moment in World History and we are watching it in real time What a time to be alive!


Dude bigger than V-E and V-J day too. You could probably make the claim it’s bigger than our own Revolutionary War.

It’s that damn big.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13268 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 9:00 am to
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War Powers Act


This law defies the spirit of the constitution in many people's opinion including my own.
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
4839 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 9:01 am to
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Surpasses Llyod face shield Austin.




A loooow bar, but you win.

This post was edited on 1/3/26 at 9:02 am
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90772 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 9:02 am to
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This law defies the spirit of the constitution in many people's opinion including my own.

Well you go big guy!

Why hasn't it been struck down?

Surely the Dems would file with a Boasberg over the years.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90772 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 9:03 am to
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A loooow bar, but you win.

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47624 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 9:04 am to
Theres already precedent for this.
January 1990. The arrest of Noriega.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13268 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 9:04 am to
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Uh, that would be the point.



Yeah, however they got their own mechanisms for hurting the United States and their allies. I suppose you gotta trust our leadership's calculus that whatever they can do in that respect is worth the blow we've brought upon them. VZ oil's absence would certainly complicate a large operation like invading Taiwan. So I get it. However, we keep on doing these things and keep on having new and shittier ways it didn't work out like we hoped. I'd sorta bet on the longterm horizon on VZ to still be shite but we may have bought ourselves a decade where VZ is subservient to US foreign policy aims.
Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5193 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 9:06 am to
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Theres already precedent for this. January 1990. The arrest of Noriega.


There was at least a little effort put in to that one. This one sounds like Maduro left the light on and a key under the mat.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Member since Jul 2018
8066 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 9:11 am to
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these sort of actions tend to have unfortunate consequences


Like interring Jap citizens during WW2, we didn't have any spies amongst us, we will apologize in 75 years. Fine by me.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47624 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 9:12 am to
It seems that way.

Virtually zero resistance and according to Vance, he was offered several exit options prior to the operation.

I mean… who goes into hostile air space and leaves with the president and his wife in under 3 hours with no casualties and barely a fight?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115482 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 9:14 am to
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“ The amazing thing to me is that none of this was leaked. Gotta give a lot of credit to Trump and Pete for cleaning the DOD up.”(quote).


Its almost as if those new rules for rhe press corps at the Pentagon may have been needed
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115482 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 9:17 am to
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Theres already precedent for this.
January 1990. The arrest of Noriega.


Yep.

Supposedly, US bombed Chavez's grave.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14818 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 9:20 am to
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Alright, I think that the United States should not abduct a sovereign nation's leader without a declaration of war. I find the idea that we can just allow the executive branch to unilaterally make these decisions at a minimum defies the spirit of the constitution if not outright unconstitutional.


Splitting hairs here against your argument, but the US, Canada, EU and may other countries have not recognized Manduro as the legitimate president of Venezuela

Even dating back to Biden we didn’t recognize his a legitimate.
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