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re: Louisiana Budget 101

Posted on 5/25/18 at 7:29 am to
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43135 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 7:29 am to
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LSUFanHouston


Isn't this the guy that was trying to make the argument that Honor Code wasn't raising taxes? Then had the audacity to say he could do simple math?

4% before temp tax, 5% when installed (temp tax: a 1% increase from baseline).

Now wants to make the temp 5% into a permanent 4.5% which still means that if approved he raised taxes by 0.5% of the permanent baseline.

Therefore, a tax increase.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40295 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:42 am to
quote:

How much of this money is restricted only due to statute? Meaning, how much is actually constitutionally protected and how much is legislatively mandated?


This is a good and easy read on the issue.

LINK

Basically as of 2014 (last year studied), 2.3 billion was constitutional and 2.0 billion was legislative.

quote:

Also, how much state spending is part of a match that is spent to unlock federal funds?


I haven't seen a specific figure, but this kinda explains the issue at least for health care.

LINK
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40295 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:44 am to
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lso, for the last 23 years, I have been the final authority for budgeting and executing said budget for the largest employer in our area


I don't know what area you are in. And I don't know if that's a private employer or public.

But clearly, you have no idea how to read a government budget. And rather than admit that and learn something, you are just being obtuse. It's frustrating.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40295 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:48 am to
quote:

Isn't this the guy that was trying to make the argument that Honor Code wasn't raising taxes? Then had the audacity to say he could do simple math?

4% before temp tax, 5% when installed (temp tax: a 1% increase from baseline).

Now wants to make the temp 5% into a permanent 4.5% which still means that if approved he raised taxes by 0.5% of the permanent baseline.

Therefore, a tax increase.


Going from 4 to 5 is clearly an increase.

Going from 5 to 4.5 is clearly a decrease.

4.5 is still more than 4... so it's still an increase over 4.

The Louisiana Legislature raised taxes in the past (after JBE signed the bill). No one is currently raising taxes.

Why don't we talk about how the GOP in the Louisiana Legislature raised taxes?
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33467 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:59 am to
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But clearly, you have no idea how to read a government budget.

Wrong again

Govt agency, 4000+ employees
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40295 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:29 am to
When can we talk about how the GOP raises taxes in the Louisiana Legislature?

By your logic, yesterday, a house committee - led by the GOP - just approved a tax increase.

LINK

What a bunch of tax and spend conservatives.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40295 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:29 am to
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Govt agency, 4000+ employees


EBR School Board? Given all of their issues... that would be rather appropriate.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33467 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:44 am to
quote:

EBR School Board? Given all of their issues... that would be rather appropriate.

And wrong again

Like I said. Stay in your lane
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40295 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:48 am to
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And wrong again

Like I said. Stay in your lane


How about you answer my questions about why the GOP is raising taxes?

You just mad because not only am I in your lane, but I'm lapping you around the track.
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
4875 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:14 am to
A question about the medicare spending as it seems to be a large portion of our deficit woes.
What is being done to keep the cost down? Is anyone checking to see if people are not abusing the system?
Is anyone negotiating the cost with providers? Or are they in bed with the providers and letting them push cost upwards?
Would love to see a bunch of pissed off seniors run those departments.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14984 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:21 am to
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A question about the medicare spending as it seems to be a large portion of our deficit woes.
What is being done to keep the cost down? Is anyone checking to see if people are not abusing the system?
Is anyone negotiating the cost with providers? Or are they in bed with the providers and letting them push cost upwards?
Would love to see a bunch of pissed off seniors run those departments.


That's a great question, but one that is tough to answer quickly. Right now, provider rates are very low. But not all providers are equal. Nursing homes have a pretty good deal.

In terms of fraud, there were some attempts by republicans to increase investigations on medicaid recipients but they got blocked by the governor. Providers are already investigated, but I am sure it could be better.

Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:30 am to
quote:

In terms of fraud, there were some attempts by republicans to increase investigations on medicaid recipients but they got blocked by the governor.


It is actually the Attorney General who is headed to court soon for blowing off a FOIA request for the names and entities suspected of and/or charged with Medicaid fraud.

When this board sees "fraud" its of course the blacks cheating the system, but the big fraud numbers come from institutional gaming of the system. Most of those institutions are owned by Republicans so the General doesnt want to give them up.
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 11:47 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40295 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:31 am to
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In terms of fraud, there were some attempts by republicans to increase investigations on medicaid recipients but they got blocked by the governor. Providers are already investigated, but I am sure it could be better.


Fraud investigations of recipients are clearly racist, according to some. LOL. That's why you don't see them.

And if they get kicked off of Medicaid, then they are not as likely to vote for Democrats. Gotta keep them getting free stuff from the government to secure their votes!

Nursing home rates are higher because they are much better at giving campaign contributions. Many medicaid people who just need regular care end up going to your rank and file low-cost medical clinics, who clearly they are not as good as making high dollar contributions.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27662 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 3:15 pm to
Fraud investigations require effort. The Attorney General (presently Jeff Landry) is tasked with conducting Medicaid fraud investigation. He simply isn't doing it. Rather than investigate actual fraud on the part of the individuals, Republicans advocate cutting the entire program, as if that will "get back" at the fraudsters. That is simply lazy.

Also, the econometric analysis which is being regularly conducted by Medicaid to check for patters of fraud hasn't found anything to suggest that much fraud actually exists. But if we want to look closer, the AG should do some actual investigation to look into it.

But then again, fraud investigations also require funding. There doesn't appear to be any funding for fraud investigations.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14984 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 3:20 pm to
quote:

The Attorney General (presently Jeff Landry) is tasked with conducting Medicaid fraud investigation. He simply isn't doing it.


Evidence for that?
Posted by prokowave
Member since Sep 2017
28 posts
Posted on 5/26/18 at 11:46 am to
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This showed the exact opposite! We did not stabilize the budget despite increasing oil revenue, and we haven’t cut taxes!


This is incorrect - the state can reduce the rate from 5 last year to 4.5 in the coming and generate roughly the same amount of revenue. Yes oil helps, but jobs are growing as well.

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2016/17 $28,356.600,000 JBE’s 1st budget, I detect a big spender here!

Firstly your numbers aren't matching what I can find. But anyway, most of this increase comes from federal funding (medicaid expansion) as discussed by the OP. And by the way the state matches came from medical providers who agreed to tax themselves to pay for it because it would cut down on uninsured that us insured folks have to subsidize.

Another thing that makes comparisons unfair is that Jindal sold off a huge amount of state property which then had to be leased back - office buildings, parking garages, prisons etc. Thus you add to the budget because you now have to pay rent to use something the state previously owned. And don't forget all of the trust funds that were raided. You used to have these invested and only spent the interest. Once that the principal was taken to plug budget holes, that interest revenue had to be replaced with taxes.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 5/27/18 at 12:42 am to
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Basically as of 2014 (last year studied), 2.3 billion was constitutional and 2.0 billion was legislative.


So, $2.3b was constitutionally protected and around $10b is dictated by legislature yet the reason they can't cut $1b is because.. the constitution?
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