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re: Looks like teachers are willing to conceal carry
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:21 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:21 pm to Navytiger74
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Yeah most things work out to the average. That's why it's the average. I'm not intentionally manipulating the discussion. If the proposal is that states implement screening processes to identify and train select staff members to be praetorians, I'm all for it.
There are background checks and the like simply to get a CC license. I agree that additional training would be required for that setting, but we aren't talking about creating ninja hunter/killers here. We are talking about allowing teachers to have something more than a stick of chalk in their hand, should someone show up, threatening theirs, or their charges lives. Essentially, we are talking about the fundamental right to self defense, and the victims of shootings like this should be able to sue the state and federal government for violating that right.
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:22 pm to troyt37
God help us - this is what it has come to: teachers strapped up.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:33 pm to 14&Counting
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God help us - this is what it has come to: teachers strapped up.
This is exactly the attitude that is so blissfully ignorant. The world has never been the whimsical fairytale land of safety you are pretending to harken back to now.
The only thing that has ever stopped aggression, in the history of mankind, has been good people with weapons, be they swords, bows and arrows, or AR-15s. That is the state of nature and to pretend otherwise is exactly that - pretending.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:38 pm to 10MTNTiger
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This is exactly the attitude that is so blissfully ignorant. The world has never been the whimsical fairytale land of safety you are pretending to harken back to now.
I am not ignorant I just think its a sad state of affairs that it has come to this. More a general comment on the state of society
Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:02 pm to 14&Counting
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I am not ignorant I just think its a sad state of affairs that it has come to this. More a general comment on the state of society
I would agree to the extent of the statement. Anyone with brains had to know that creating gun free zones in a society built around gun ownership was going to eventually be a problem. Nobody would walk around with a sign that says "I will not defend myself" and expect not to be mugged eventually.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 3:18 pm to Navytiger74
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ntionally touched on that with my "the majority of primary and secondary school teachers are women, 30-45ish with some old birds and some new hires thrown in." Temperamentally, not going to do you a whole lot of good in a crisis.
I'm with you on that. I just don't see it as anything that would be difficult to overcome, so long as it's implemented properly.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:54 pm to Dead End
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Why not give teachers that carry a monthly bonus?
Well they aren't teaching worth a frick but we pay them anyway. Let's pay them to carry a gun while we're at it. Makes sense!! There's not one teacher that I ever had that I feel a) should ever be allowed to even touch a gun and b) would even step up to defend someone with it if necessary.
And let's just gloss over what inevitably would happen when this hypothetically armed teacher accidentally shoots more students and staff than bad guys.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:59 pm to Pbhog
quote:That's a little unlikely but I guess it's possible. Not a lot of teachers-popping-off-on-student stories out there.
I could easily see teachers shooting students whenever the littlest fight breaks out.
However, I can absolutely envision a scenario where a student tries to take a gun off a teacher. Maybe he succeeds. Then what. Maybe even the teacher feels that his life is in danger at this point and feels forced to shoot the student.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 5:03 pm to Zach
More guns and bullets flying at our schools?
Posted on 2/20/18 at 6:59 pm to King George
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However, I can absolutely envision a scenario where a student tries to take a gun off a teacher. Maybe he succeeds. Then what. Maybe even the teacher feels that his life is in danger at this point and feels forced to shoot the student.
Why does everyone against this idea act like the teachers are just going to be walking around with guns on them all day, red pen in one hand, gun in the other? The guns should be locked away in hidden safes and never removed unless there is an active shooter.
Others think that teachers are not trustworthy enough to have a gun because they are women or emotionally unstable. If they are that mentally unbalanced, they shouldn't be teaching at all. While we are training certain teachers to carry, we can get rid of all the crazy ones. As to the women, every school I have ever attended has had at least a few men. Every men's coach was a man. A good portion of the science and math teachers were men. Even if only 10% of teachers were armed, every school I attended had at least 10% of the staff comprised of men and sane individuals.
Those arguing against this just seem to be exaggerating worst-case scenarios, none of which are worse than someone walking into a gun-free zone and easily murdering a dozen people.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 7:01 pm to King George
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However, I can absolutely envision a scenario where a student tries to take a gun off a teacher. Maybe he succeeds. Then what.
What makes you think a student would know which teachers are armed? Also, what makes you think it'd be easier to disarm a trained adult than to find a weapon some other way?
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Maybe even the teacher feels that his life is in danger at this point and feels forced to shoot the student.
Why would that be a problem? Do you think the teacher shouldn't shoot a student that attempts to disarm them?
Posted on 2/20/18 at 7:02 pm to Zach
Good for them
Posted on 2/20/18 at 7:08 pm to 14&Counting
Yes it is sad and it’s sad that the football coach who died trying to protect students didn’t have a weapon
Posted on 2/20/18 at 7:21 pm to SidewalkDawg
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Again, teachers can own firearms legally. There is nothing but a sign on the door that says they can't bring it in and perform mass murder.
Good point. Time to ban guns.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 7:26 pm to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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More guns and bullets flying at our schools?
Ah so you only want bullets being fired by kid killers, not at kid killers. Got it
Posted on 2/20/18 at 7:28 pm to 14&Counting
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I am not ignorant I just think its a sad state of affairs that it has come to this. More a general comment on the state of society
Just about every thing of high value or importance has been protected with firearms since the first firearms were made, should our school kids be any different? If budgets don't allow the number of guards needed to be effective than armed teachers are the next best thing. There are a significant number of teachers already carrying on the job regardless of the school policy, their philosophy being better to break the rules and have a chance to survive and protect the students than be helpless and die.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 7:35 pm to DEG
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Good point. Time to ban guns.
I don't know whether this is sarcasm or not, but people should read this entire thread. The lack of sincerity about doing anything to protect kids among leftists is painfully evident.
The only thing most leftists will even contemplate seriously has never, could never, and will never work in this country. I find it sad that so many, right here in this thread, put their philosophy and agenda ahead of actually protecting kids. It's utterly shameful, and yet another sign that fighting it out will come long before making them come to their senses.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 7:36 pm to Zach
quote:You mean 10 that were already packing before the FLA shooting.
I think on an average HS staff of 50 teachers you will find 10 that will carry.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 9:34 pm to tigerpawl
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You mean 10 that were already packing before the FLA shooting.
???
Posted on 2/21/18 at 2:19 am to bamafan1001
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Ah so you only want bullets being fired by kid killers, not at kid killers. Got it
Did I ever tell you the story about the Marshall who was shot by the Federal agent at a school shooting?
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