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re: Looks like teachers are willing to conceal carry
Posted on 2/20/18 at 1:37 pm to HotTakeHerald
Posted on 2/20/18 at 1:37 pm to HotTakeHerald
quote:They tend to be a little more tactical when they melt down. 15's too many to get past internal affairs or IID or the IG or whatever.
What is to stop a police officer from melting down and mowing down 15 people?
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 1:39 pm to Navytiger74
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The proposition is a loser.
Yeah, because they neither want nor deserve a chance to defend themselves or others.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 1:39 pm to Pbhog
These teachers should be carefully vetted, trained and compensated for the extra responsibility they are taking on.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 1:40 pm to Navytiger74
I take it that if you had kids in school you would feel less safe for them knowing some teachers were armed?
Posted on 2/20/18 at 1:41 pm to Navytiger74
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But I have a hard time believing that the average teacher in an American public school could do much good with a sidearm in a locked drawer when shite pops off.
Why do you keep framing the argument with 'average' or 'most'? Aside from gun training the difference between the smartest teacher in your school and the dumbest is HUGE.
My HS had about 100 full time teachers. Could I think of 10 that I would trust with a gun with Zero training? Absolutely.
Could I think of 10 I would NOT trust with a gun if they trained for a month? Absolutely.
When you're talking about 10 teachers on a faculty of 50 you're talking about a teacher with a gun within 100 feet of a shooter in a classroom.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 1:46 pm to Zach
Its laughable. They go to the extremes in framing their side of the debate. Guns all over the place. Crazy teachers killing kids, no training or poor training and my favorite less guns not more.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 1:54 pm to Navytiger74
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Navytiger74
The proposition is a loser. Always the most laughable thing to come out of these tragedies
you have armed guards at your workplace
Posted on 2/20/18 at 1:55 pm to Zach
I think the debate should discuss the options of training and arming teachers and having a School Marshall/ex vet at each school.
New thread??
New thread??
Posted on 2/20/18 at 1:56 pm to Pussykat
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These teachers should be carefully vetted, trained and compensated for the extra responsibility they are taking on.
I don't understand the thought process behind folks that think there is some magical "vetting/training" process that endows you with the capability to carry a gun. The left always espouses that "only the police or military should have these guns."
The only distinction is that one dedicates himself or herself to a job that society views as acceptable of entrusting with a firearm because it is "high risk." The truth is that 95% of soldiers have little to no training and experience with handguns outside of bare qualification. I would hazard to guess that most cops are not firearms experts either.
Americans have been duped into this nonsensical perception that the world is a good place, and nothing bad should ever happen to you. If something bad does happen, then the responsibility for protecting you from that should fall to the authorities (police or military). This is a fundamentally flawed view of personal responsibility. I am responsible for my life and the lives of my family, not the police, not big army. I don't need government to tell me when I am sufficiently vetted and trained to protect myself and my family.
Teachers are no different. Let them conceal carry, get rid of the stupid gun free zones. Don't put more regulations and burdens on good guys. Get out of the way government and we can protect ourselves from these psychos.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 1:57 pm to IceTiger
quote:Many. They're there to protect the bad guys from me. That's what they tell me anyway.
you have armed guards at your workplace
Posted on 2/20/18 at 1:57 pm to Navytiger74
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frickups, lost weapons, and increased insurance liability, you'd probably do better with quality security contractors.
That's a totally fair statement...
Even GIs lose weapons on occasion, and that's with guardmount, etc.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:00 pm to Pbhog
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I don’t trust most teachers to carry weapons in schools.
MOST teachers won't be carrying. It will only take a few in each school to make a difference.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:00 pm to 10MTNTiger
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The truth is that 95% of soldiers have little to no training and experience with handguns outside of bare qualification. I would hazard to guess that most cops are not firearms experts either.
Some of the most useful skills in these situations have very little to do with firearms proficiency, and any deficiencies can be remedied with moderate effort.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:04 pm to IceTiger
If the anti-guns people knew how many citizens around them on any given day were packing guns, they would melt. CCW holders are most places except for schools and gov't buildings...
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:05 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I intentionally touched on that with my "the majority of primary and secondary school teachers are women, 30-45ish with some old birds and some new hires thrown in." Temperamentally, not going to do you a whole lot of good in a crisis.
Some of the most useful skills in these situations have very little to do with firearms proficiency
It's kind of what I was working around to while avoiding being #metoo-d.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:05 pm to Navytiger74
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I don't the stats in front of me, but the average primary or secondary school teacher in this country is a woman, probably aged about 30-45 with a lot of older ones and a lot of new hires in their early 20s. Women do handle guns in the south, but even there it's not exactly a most proficient or temperamentally inclined demographic.
You keep talking about the average teacher this or that. The average teacher will be huddled up in their classroom, waiting to see if they're slaughtered or rescued. In any scenario, there would only be a select few who are actively defending themselves and the kids they teach.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:07 pm to Navytiger74
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Now that doesn't even scratch the surface of "have you ever met your average primary or secondary school teacher." There would probably be more screw-ups, lost weapons, accidental discharges, and the occasional accidental shooting in any quarter than there would be lives saved in a given year.
I get where you're coming from, but if educators are ever given the option to pursue all the necessary training and requirements that allow them to possess a firearm in their classrooms, I have a hard time picturing those first in line to be the fragile stereotypical teachers you're thinking of.
And even if they are, the school admin should have final say in whether they're allowed to carry or not.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:08 pm to troyt37
quote:Yeah most things work out to the average. That's why it's the average. I'm not intentionally manipulating the discussion. If the proposal is that states implement screening processes to identify and train select staff members to be praetorians, I'm all for it.
You keep talking about the average teacher this or that.
"Letting teachers carry" is a loser.
This post was edited on 2/20/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:12 pm to Navytiger74
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The proposition is a loser. Always the most laughable thing to come out of these tragedies.
Uhhh...no...that would definitely be the "make more restrictive laws to keep people who don't follow laws from killing people" proposition.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 2:20 pm to asurob1
Apparently the left thinks teachers murdering scum who are unable to control themselves
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