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re: Looking at young Rittenhouse from another Angle
Posted on 8/27/20 at 10:19 am to RockinDood
Posted on 8/27/20 at 10:19 am to RockinDood
I think one thing that there is very little doubt about is this. Had young Rittenhouse not used his rifle, he would very likely have been seriously injured, or even killed by one or more of the losers that went after him.
I would rather be judged by a jury than carried by pallbearers. That might be a cliche, but it certainly applies in this case.
I would rather be judged by a jury than carried by pallbearers. That might be a cliche, but it certainly applies in this case.
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Posted on 8/27/20 at 10:23 am to AggieHank86
Hmm. 25 critical thinkers 
vs. 236 knee jerkers. 9.4%
Seems like you guessed pretty close.
Interesting how actual law works to deprive people of the ability to defend themselves.
It doesn't take much imagination to see that he was being attacked (by obviously very stupid people), but it takes real effort to look for ways to deny it.
vs. 236 knee jerkers. 9.4% Seems like you guessed pretty close.
Interesting how actual law works to deprive people of the ability to defend themselves.
It doesn't take much imagination to see that he was being attacked (by obviously very stupid people), but it takes real effort to look for ways to deny it.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 10:27 am to AggieHank86
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I anticipate 10:1 downvotes because I can’t just ask an honest question, I have to include a closing paragraph that is nothing but an attempt at condescension and general douchebaggery.
Fixed. And an accurate self-fulfilling prophecy.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 10:41 am to HubbaBubba
It just comes down to what he was doing before he was attacked and I dont Know.
Just walking around with a gun? Self -defense
Walking around with a gun and being threatening? You don’t get to claim self defense when you’re an aggressor.
Of course as I said I have no idea.
It’s clearly not brilliant to go to a riot with a gun, but in and of itself it’s not justification for someone to attack you.
Still a bad idea. This wasn’t unavoidable but it doesn’t inherently make him a murderer.
Just walking around with a gun? Self -defense
Walking around with a gun and being threatening? You don’t get to claim self defense when you’re an aggressor.
Of course as I said I have no idea.
It’s clearly not brilliant to go to a riot with a gun, but in and of itself it’s not justification for someone to attack you.
Still a bad idea. This wasn’t unavoidable but it doesn’t inherently make him a murderer.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 10:42 am to SammyTiger
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You don’t get to claim self defense when you’re an aggressor.
Even if he was fleeing the mob?
You people are funny.
You want it both ways.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 10:58 am to roadGator
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Even if he was fleeing the mob?
You people are funny.
You want it both ways.
Well if you’re fleeing a mob you wouldn’t be an aggressor.
Like I said The video i saw started at a certain point. So what led up to it is important.
This board has already said the guy in Portland with the AK deserved to be shot. Maybe this kid deserved to have his head caved in with a skateboard.
Maybe he was just walking around peacefully.
Idk, but it’s what the case is going to turn on.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 11:01 am
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:10 am to AggieHank86
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Set aside the self-defense question for a moment, because that is addressed LATER.
Sorry, but no. The self-defense aspect is central to this issue because I think you are confusing who is the aggressor.
Rosenbaum in full-on aggressor mode.
The short, balled, mouthy guy is the guy who was killed in the car lot, the guy who was chasing Rittenhouse. We don't know yet what happened between the end of this video and the chase to cause the chase, but it's quite apparent that Rosenbaum was in an aggressive stance while those he opposed were in a defensive stance.
In the next two shootings Rittenhouse was on the ground and being attacked. While some will try to segregate the first shooting and the next two, I think that's an error because it's all part of the greater context.
Rittenhouse had been fleeing, in fear for his life, when he turned and fired on Rosenbaum. For him, the fight-or-flight scenario didn't end with that first shooting, he was still trying to escape being attacked when he was attacked again on the street.
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I anticipate 10:1 downvotes for even asking the question
I would guess the downvotes are more from your misunderstanding of who was actually the aggressor.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:22 am to AggieHank86
Not sure but there seem to be photos of the guy that got shot had a pistol in his hand.
Therefore it seems even someone like you could argue it is self-defense. He was knocked down from behind with group of already violent people on his heels. He barely avoided a flying kick to the head while on his knees.
Clearly self-defense. You know how I know? He is alive and well today. Had they kept him down on the ground they would have beat the shite out of him till he was unconscious, sustained serious injuries, or died from blunt trauma or head injuries.
Therefore it seems even someone like you could argue it is self-defense. He was knocked down from behind with group of already violent people on his heels. He barely avoided a flying kick to the head while on his knees.
Clearly self-defense. You know how I know? He is alive and well today. Had they kept him down on the ground they would have beat the shite out of him till he was unconscious, sustained serious injuries, or died from blunt trauma or head injuries.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:26 am to Tridentds
Is there any video of the first shooting?
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:28 am to AggieHank86
Pretty sure in any state you can use deadly force to defend yourself from being attacked with a skateboard and a hand gun. You should know that as an attorney.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:29 am to Barstools
And In most states you can use a handgun and a skateboard to defend people from a rifle.
So again, it’s gonna depend on who started the whole thing.
So again, it’s gonna depend on who started the whole thing.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:38 am to AggieHank86
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I think it is an interesting question.
I think you are imagining things not in evidence and you are a retarded piece of shite that has pitifully little understanding of the legal and technical aspects of armed self-defense. That have never stopped you from pretending though.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:41 am to SammyTiger
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Like I said The video i saw started at a certain point. So what led up to it is important.
Well maybe if you did more with those precious few braincells you have, you'd Google the several videos available (most have been posted on TD too) and put some of your ignorance to bed here.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:01 pm to SammyTiger
Was the guy in Portland fleeing and get chased down by a radical right mob? No. Piss off with your weak attempt at equivocation.
Like I said, you people want it both ways.
Like I said, you people want it both ways.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:24 pm to SammyTiger
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So again, it’s gonna depend on who started the whole thing.
Except for that whole fleeing part...
Pesky facts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:34 pm to SammyTiger
Actually, most states do not allow you to attack a retreating person with a skateboard or gun. Once they are retreating, you're no not allowed to chase and attack them. In most states.
Doesn't matter if the gun man started it actually. He was already retreating and no longer a threat. Until he was attacked by the de-armed gunman and the skateboard medic.
Try again.
Doesn't matter if the gun man started it actually. He was already retreating and no longer a threat. Until he was attacked by the de-armed gunman and the skateboard medic.
Try again.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:38 pm to Barstools
If you can’t see a series of events where this guy is at fault you’re not worth talking to.
I’m Not a prosecutor Or a defense attorney, but if you start a fight and shoot a guy, your self defense claim takes a big hit whether you try and run away after that or not.
It’s gonna come down to the first guy (which feels obvious honestly because if he shot unrpovoked the first guy that’s a murder)
And I’ve said I dont Have the facts on the first guy, but neither do any of you.
I’m Not a prosecutor Or a defense attorney, but if you start a fight and shoot a guy, your self defense claim takes a big hit whether you try and run away after that or not.
It’s gonna come down to the first guy (which feels obvious honestly because if he shot unrpovoked the first guy that’s a murder)
And I’ve said I dont Have the facts on the first guy, but neither do any of you.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:39 pm to SammyTiger
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you’re not worth talking to.
Zero self awareness
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:39 pm to SammyTiger
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And In most states you can use a handgun and a skateboard to defend people from a rifle.
So again, it’s gonna depend on who started the whole thing.
You are fricking clueless
Go watch the videos. There is no way to actually prosecute the shooter. Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:40 pm to SammyTiger
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If you can’t see a series of events where this guy is at fault you’re not worth talking to.
Good thing we have videos of all the incidents and don't have to imagine possible scenarios.
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