- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Little Miss Tippie Top Ocasio-Cortez wants to raise taxes to 70% to pay for some socialist
Posted on 1/8/19 at 1:20 pm to BugAC
Posted on 1/8/19 at 1:20 pm to BugAC
quote:
As dumb as she may be, think of the people that heard her talk and said, "i want her to represent me".
Her audience is already very large, and growing. Everyone that is assuming she has no influence, and is not a threat because of her ignorance is going to turn out to be very bad for the country.
0
Posted on 1/8/19 at 1:21 pm to Jbird
On those nights, they need to add a fee to all non-special meals on the receipt to let all the patrons know they're subsidizing the cheap meals.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 1:30 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
She's not old enough to run for POTUS, but I'm seriously worried about a possible AOC presidency in 20-25 years.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 1:35 pm to LordSaintly
I don't think she'll last that long. She's not smart or savvy enough to make this a career beyond representing her district
Posted on 1/8/19 at 1:51 pm to upgrayedd
I hope you're right 
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:12 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
I don't think she'll last that long. She's not smart or savvy enough to make this a career beyond representing her district
The people that are pulling her strings are that smart, that's the danger, and even though I am MAGA all the way, don't forget the entire democratic party had the same opinion of Trump for decades.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:50 pm to kingbob
quote:
Finally, the federal government has to get out of the loans business and the healthcare business. We need to put Glass-Steagall back in place, stop backing student loans, repeal EMTALA, end Section 8, and repeal Obamacare. We need to open up competition in healthcare and get the federal government out of it so that prices can come down. People can't afford housing with those health insurance premiums, student loans, and crazy real estate prices eating away at their salaries. Without that disposable income, they can't purchase the goods needed to support a consumerist economy. Government is artificially propping up prices in higher education, healthcare, and real estate, and it needs to stop in order for those goods to reach a market equilibrium and become affordable again.
Bruh... this is poetry. fricking spot on!
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:58 pm to EA6B
quote:
The people that are pulling her strings are that smart, that's the danger, and even though I am MAGA all the way, don't forget the entire democratic party had the same opinion of Trump for decades.
I don't think she's part of some bigger plan beyond a few naive New Yorkers that think socialism is a viable form of economics. She's the HS class presidential candidate promising free Cokes in every machine. The only difference is she believes it and will get in front of any camera and spout how much she believes it without being able to explain how it works
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:31 pm to LSUfanNkaty
quote:
Bruh... this is poetry. fricking spot on!
Thanks. When I decide to post about issues of substance, I occasionally get a little wood on the ball.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:41 pm to MI LSU
quote:”echo chambers” has nothing to do with my position. It’s all based on the data I’ve given you. You’re refuted none of it. Didn’t even attempt to. Adding more word salad doesn’t help.
One of the biggest problems I think with modern politics is the pervasiveness and ease of echo chambers.
quote:Nope. Making others poorer doesn’t make me wealthier. The supply of money isn’t fixed.
So I guess the over-arching questions, then, are 1) do you think the current (and increasing) income/wealth gap is an issue?
quote:Taxes aren’t a method of punishment. They are method of funding the government.
and 2) if so, how do we go about rectifying it, if not through higher taxes?
If you’re interested in using government to selectively punish small minorities of people—you’re on par with some of the worst despots in history.
Sorry. I simply don’t believe the purpose of government is to punish innocent people that have committed no crime.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:48 pm to LordSaintly
quote:
She's not old enough to run for POTUS, but I'm seriously worried about a possible AOC presidency in 20-25 years.
This chick is a flash in the pan. She represents a tiny district with a high concentration of like minded loons. Even with that, she is probably a one termer.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 5:53 pm to WesternChauvinist
quote:
A redistributionist policy can only work if there is high institutional trust in the government doing the redistributing.
That no longer exists in America.
Producers, who would otherwise be ok with perhaps paying more taxes for limited purposes and duration when the benefit will accrue to them, as well as everyone else, do not believe any more of their earned resources being confiscated by the government at the national or state (or even municipal) levels ever go to anything that remotely benefits them.
this is actually a solid argument.
despite my philosophical leanings politically, i actually have very little faith in our government, so i can see why people are reticent about giving more money to taxes. that being said, i have even less faith in the private sector to "do good," so i don't see a plausible solution to what is pretty clearly a rigged system set up to benefit a very small portion of the population.
i view taxes as an exchange--part of the social contract, so to speak--in that i am willing to give a significant part of my income to the greater good, and to help the less fortunate. america has (and we as a people have) certainly demonstrated its willingness to let horrible things happen to the less fortunate and the sick, so what do we do to mitigate that, if it doesn't come through taxes? we certainly can't rely on the good will of the public...
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 6:23 pm to superwolf
You could give tax credits and deductions on this to those who create sustainable jobs with a living wage and/or directly invest in research and development. Incentivizing good behavior. Thus the true innovators and job producers won’t be paying more in taxes.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 7:08 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
It’s all based on the data I’ve given you. You’re refuted none of it. Didn’t even attempt to. Adding more word salad doesn’t help.
you provided a single histogram, which was released years ago, and from a cursory google image search, has been widely refuted as being specious:
how to lie with histograms
fun charts making rich look poor
does the middle class have all the money?
i prefer this modified chart, which takes into account the arbitrary bucketing of the original:
also, the Bloomberg article you linked earlier actually had another interesting graph, which seemed to indicate the top .001% of earners actually paid a lower overall percentage (several, in fact) than the group below them, which made significantly less money. their overall percentage paid in taxes amounted to less than 25% overall--hardly confiscatory, and actually significantly less than i paid last year. interesting.
we can have a discussion about this stuff without skewing statistics and selectively choosing data points.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 7:35 pm to MI LSU
quote:Well this was a waste of time. The author swapped income in $'s for %-ages. Why would he do that?
how to lie with histograms
quote:I bet you do
i prefer this modified chart
You distorted it. If you consider a family making $200k/yr and one making >$10million/yr the same amount of "rich"... your earlier premise is even sillier. Further the totals remain similar. Ocasio's propsed tax cut pays for almost nothing.
quote:Only if you lacked reading comprehension. The fact remains. Less 2000 people pay the same amount of 70million others. Which group is failing to pay a fair share?
which seemed to indicate the top .001% of earners actually paid a lower overall percentage (several, in fact) than the group below them
quote:And this is how one lies with percentages. They still paid WAY more than you did. The percentage is irrelevant. But to understand that, you have to understand that $1 is $1. Dollars collected from "the poor" don't buy any more government cheese than dollars collected from the "the rich".
their overall percentage paid in taxes amounted to less than 25% overall--hardly confiscatory
Like the author you quoted, you're lying with percentages, presuming that %-ages are equivalents. They are not.
Let's say we both go to dinner. The bill comes. It's $100. You have $20 in your wallet. I have $200. You pay $10. I pay the other $90. You paid 50% of your "wealth". I paid 45% of my "wealth".
Who paid more?
By your "logic" you paid more. Even though I paid 9X more.
quote:You could have tried two days ago. Though now I realize why you avoided it.
we can have a discussion about this stuff without skewing statistics and selectively choosing data points.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 7:45 pm to superwolf
My math says Bezos will be taxed 91 Billion.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 7:56 pm to superwolf
She couldn't point out Russia on a map
Posted on 1/8/19 at 7:59 pm to MI LSU
quote:Indeed!!
i don't see a plausible solution to what is pretty clearly a rigged system set up to benefit a very small portion of the population.
quote:No. You don't. If so you'd advocate that everyone pay equally. You can't possibly exempt 43% of a society are completely exempt from participating in funding it... Expecting less than 10% to pay for almost the entirety of your "society" is even more lopsided.
i view taxes as an exchange--part of the social contract
quote:Awwww. What an excellent virtue signaler you are. As posed earlier in this thread... how much extra taxes are you sending in? Second question, why do you need the government to FORCE you to pay if you are so generous. You can be generous without the governments coercion.
i am willing to give a significant part of my income to the greater good, and to help the less fortunate.
quote:Just like we can't rely on them to go to church. Damn I miss real Liberals. People that wanted no part of legislating morality.
we certainly can't rely on the good will of the public...
Your morality is every bit as dangerous to freedom as any theocracy ever could be.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 8:05 pm to adp
quote:"Not enough". *WE* (sic) need to be more generous.
My math says Bezos will be taxed 91 Billion.
Page 10 of 11
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News