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re: Libertarian's job is to give Democrats the wins

Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:48 pm to
Give me candidates like Massie and I'll vote Republican every time.

Give me Murkowskis and McConnells and I'm voting 3rd party.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28163 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:50 pm to
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My stance is republicans aren't worth a damn.


There are very few people on this board who disagree, but he's got a script and he's sticking to it.

In his defense, he still has the funniest line of the topic.
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If you're going to be tribal, pick a tribe that can get something accomplished.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14682 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 2:56 pm to
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Give me candidates like Massie and I'll vote Republican every time.

Give me Murkowskis and McConnells and I'm voting 3rd party.


You do realize that the overwhelming majority of republicans have never voted for any of them, right? I wouldn't vote for Murkowski or McConnell either, and I think it's an abomination that McConnell is the senate leader for republicans, but I'd take him over Chucky Schumer every day, and twice on Sunday.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:00 pm to
You can vote for the lesser of two evils if it makes you sleep better at night.

I refuse to vote for any candidate that doesn't represent me.
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:03 pm to
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Ahhh, utopia. The refuge of libertarians everywhere. Yes, ending the welfare state, especially for criminal illegals, is a wonderful, encouraging pipe dream.


One can get an in-depth clinic on the "libertarian" world vision just by listening to Free Talk Live.

We get it here on 990am every Saturday morning. If you can tolerate it long enough.

After enough exposure to it, they come across as liberals on Prozac.

It's perfectly alright to want as little governmental interference as can possibly be tolerated and still keep the society viable and - most importantly - safe.

Which just doesn't seem to be possible under a theoretical system dominated by libertarians.

Which according to what we've heard on that show for years is a society that tolerates unfettered drug use and open borders.

Listening to Free Talk Live, it's difficult to figure what political concepts, tenets they draw from.

Of all the available Western philosophers, they most seem to identify with Rousseau, who spoke of the "state of Nature," which in its purest form, a society one minor level above what is depicted in Lord of the Flies.

He is the only western philosopher we've heard mentioned on that show.

But it doesn't stop there. Rousseau was also the most referenced Western philosopher - after Freud - by the displaced Gramscian émigrés we were gifted with here from Frankfurt in the '30s. At least they also included Kant and Nietzsche as afterthoughts.

They only sought philosophers to add to their psychological arsenal that they viewed as most potentially destructive to western society.

Prior to that dubious group, Rousseau was also the most preferred western philosopher among the Jacobins. Another "humanitarian" group that numbered among its members Robespierre, Saint Just, Marat, and de Sade.

So whether Rousseau consciously meant to portray that the highest aspiration of a society is "license," it's how the neo-Marxians viewed it.

But then their thing was revisionism unlimited.

Other than all that, what's wrong with the picture we continue to get from libertarians.

Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:05 pm to
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I refuse to vote for any candidate that doesn't represent me.


And the result is that you are represented by a candidate that vehemently opposes everything you say you stand for and is willing and able to use the force of government to destroy you and your family, eventually killing you, because that's what communists do. Not sure what that does for your sleep, or what you see when you look in the mirror, but enjoy anyway.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299705 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:06 pm to
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Give me candidates like Massie and I'll vote Republican every time.


Same. I'm not selling our any more. The best of two evils is no longer applicable.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 3:08 pm
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:07 pm to
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I refuse to vote for any candidate that doesn't represent me.

Libertarians: Because 3% of the vote is more than they ever hope to achieve, but you're still the outlier and they will let you know it every day.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 3:07 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299705 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:24 pm to
Vote your principle.

Republicans will never change otherwise.

The trump wing of the party is big gov, big spending. You want me to support shite I don't believe in. frick that
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:25 pm to
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Same. I'm not selling our any more. The best of two evils is no longer applicable.

This is self-identifying as a pussy without saying the word "pussy." It's like the conservative that makes himself feel better about sitting the political fight out by "buying more guns and ammo", as if we're ever going to have a widespread armed political conflict.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37328 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:27 pm to
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Republicans will never change otherwise.

Wasted nonsense votes on unknown candidates in a fairy tale party is never going to change either of the two major parties. There will never be a multi-party system.

I don't even know why you would go vote. Voting Libertarian is a complete was of time.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 3:28 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299705 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:27 pm to
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This is self-identifying as a pussy without saying the word "pussy."
pussies sell out, pussy. Im not interested in your low IQ politics
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28163 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:28 pm to
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Vote your principle. Republicans will never change otherwise.


I don’t disagree, I just think primaries are the most effective venue. If a Republican senator loses to a dem that’s to the left of him, do you think that encourages them to go towards the left or right next time around? You may end up with short term AND long term damage.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:28 pm to
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This is self-identifying as a pussy without saying the word "pussy." It's like the conservative that makes himself feel better about sitting the political fight out by "buying more guns and ammo", as if we're ever going to have a widespread armed political conflict.


It's amazing that the two-party goose steppers are still confused about the difficulty they have in getting support.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37328 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:29 pm to
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It's amazing that the two-party goose steppers are still confused about the difficulty they have in getting support.

Its equally amazing that people still think there can be more than two viable parties in this country.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177328 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:29 pm to
My issue is why is it that every race is Democrat/Republican/Libertarian?

Why is there never another left wing party on the ballot? It's always just D/R/L.

The Dems figured this out in 2020 and went to court to block the Green party off the ballot in Wisconsin.

Dems: "Voting access for everyone is a basic human right... but we'll block the amount of choices you have."
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37328 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:31 pm to
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My issue is why is it that every race is Democrat/Republican/Libertarian?

Why is there never another left wing party on the ballot? It's always just D/R/L.

Jill Stein and the Greens took some votes from HRC in 2016 that made a pretty big impact in Trump winning WI, etc.

But I also see that they subsequently had them removed from the ballot
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 3:32 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299705 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:31 pm to
When Republicans become conservative, I will listen
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177328 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:32 pm to
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Jill Stein and the Greens took some votes from HRC in 2016 that made a pretty big impact in Trump winning WI, etc.


Which is why the Democrats went to court to kick them off the ballot in 2020. In an absolutely shameless move.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 3:32 pm to
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Its equally amazing that people still think there can be more than two viable parties in this country.


It isn't that amazing.

Pluralistic ignorance isn't a new idea.
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