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re: Libertarian's job is to give Democrats the wins

Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:58 am to
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:58 am to
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End the War on Drugs, End the Welfare State, and End or Fix the terrible immigration system.


I'll ask you for the second time at least. How many liberals, both republican and democrat, are you willing to kill to make that happen? Or do you have any other remotely plausible way of making that happen?
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:00 am to
This is about to get embarrassing for you, son.

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Jo Jorgenson the leader of your fricking party


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Angela Elise McArdle is an American politician from California who was elected on May 28, 2022 as the 22nd and current chair of the Libertarian National Committee.


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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:02 am to
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Or do you have any other remotely plausible way of making that happen?

Keep supporting candidates we would like to see hold office.

Anything else is, by definition, nurturing the swamp.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:02 am to
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How many liberals, both republican and democrat, are you willing to kill to make that happen?


Ah. So the only way to fix the border problem is dramatically increasing the size and scope of gov't? That's what you're saying?


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Or do you have any other remotely plausible way of making that happen?


Voting Libertarian or Constitution Party at every opportunity.
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:04 am to
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Now do their stance on entitlements, WOD, etc.

I'll wait



Do I have to ask you the ugly question too? Their stance on entitlements can never, and will never happen without the elimination of millions of liberals from both parties. So how about discussing reality, rather than utopian hogwash?
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:07 am to
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Keep supporting candidates we would like to see hold office.

Anything else is, by definition, nurturing the swamp.


So no then. Because you've been running at <5% for the entire existence of your party, and you are not trending upward.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:10 am to
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Do I have to ask you the ugly question too? Their stance on entitlements can never, and will never happen without the elimination of millions of liberals from both parties.
So because you think they aren't a plausible option, you can misrepresent their platform?

The party official stance is open borders, end WOD, end entitlements.

In conjunction, I fully agree with them.
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:11 am to
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Because you've been running at <5% for the entire existence of your party, and you are not trending upward.
So?

If I vote for someone I don't want in an office, I am part of the problem in this country.
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:13 am to
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Ah. So the only way to fix the border problem is dramatically increasing the size and scope of gov't? That's what you're saying?


If you think spending 5 billion dollars to build a physical barrier between ourselves and Mexico is dramatically increasing the size and scope of our government, you actually have no concept of the size and scope of our government. We have recently spent 10x that amount to protect the borders of Ukraine, but I guess it's a bridge too far to protect our own.

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Voting Libertarian or Constitution Party at every opportunity.


So, that's a no from you too. You are still at <5% of the vote on your best day. The only thing plausible about that is getting marxists elected.
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:15 am to
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So because you think they aren't a plausible option, you can misrepresent their platform?

The party official stance is open borders, end WOD, end entitlements.

In conjunction, I fully agree with them.



I posted the entire section from the Libertarian Party website. Did you read anything about entitlements? I didn't.
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:25 am to


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Did you read anything about entitlements? I didn't.


You literally had to scroll past all of them to get to the immigration platform. . .which I might add still calls for border security.

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Of course, if someone has a record of violence, credible plans for violence, or acts violently, then Libertarians support blocking their entry, deporting, and/or prosecuting and imprisoning them, depending on the offense.

Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:27 am to
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Angela Elise McArdle


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from California


An open borders liberal loon from Cali is now the leader

Congrats on that win
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:30 am to
But here you go:

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Libertarians believe that the War on Drugs is ineffective, unfair, and immoral. We advocate ending it.
The War on Drugs is ineffective at limiting access to dangerous drugs and, instead, empowers dangerous gangs that make incredible fortunes on the black market for these illegal drugs.

The War on Drugs has imprisoned millions of non-violent people. This is unfair to these people and also uses up resources that would be better spent prosecuting and imprisoning people who are violent.

The War on Drugs is largely responsible for the militarization of police forces in America. It has pitted police against citizens and this is unfair to both. Police need to be able to focus on protecting the American public from violent offenders and fraud.

Lastly, Libertarians believe that it is immoral for the government to dictate which substances a person is permitted to consume, whether it is alcohol, tobacco, herbal remedies, saturated fat, marijuana, etc. These decisions belong to individual people, not the government.

Because of all of these things, Libertarians advocate ending the War on Drugs.


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Market allocates resources efficiently; government does not

A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:32 am to
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So because you think they aren't a plausible option, you can misrepresent their platform?


Not because I think so. Because everyone with a brain thinks so. The last time a significant government instituted program or law was abolished was prohibition, almost 100 years ago. But you guys insist on the delusion that you are going to end entitlements. It's a wonderful pipe dream, and I would support it 100%, but by no stretch of the imagination can it ever happen without the elimination of millions of liberals and leaches who consider it a way of life.

Now, can we get to a reality based solution, like creating a physical barrier between us and the invaders, forcing them to come in upon invitation?
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:35 am to
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Of course, if someone has a record of violence, credible plans for violence, or acts violently, then Libertarians support blocking their entry, deporting, and/or prosecuting and imprisoning them, depending on the offense.



How are you going to do that when you have millions walking across the border every year?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:36 am to
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How many liberals, both republican and democrat, are you willing to kill to make that happen?


I am not killing anyone.

People choose to do that to themselves.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:37 am to
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How are you going to do that when you have millions walking across the border every year?


End benefits for them, it ends.

And I thought Democrats were terrible with economic.

I support legal immigration for people with no serious criminal record and wants to work. Americans think low paying jobs are below them.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:39 am to
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An open borders liberal


Direct quote from her:

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Is there a book, essay, film, or something else that best describes your political philosophy?

My political philosophy is inspired by Ron Paul's ""Liberty Defined"" and Mises' ""Human Action"

And another:

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What do you believe are the core responsibilities for someone elected to this office?

“I believe the core responsibilities of anyone elected to office are to protect the Constitutional rights and freedoms of the people of the United States and limit government from interfering in the personal lives of citizens.


Oh, and also:
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What do you perceive to be the United States’ greatest challenges as a nation over the next decade?

“I believe the greatest challenges the USA faces are lowing the national debt and course correcting interventionist foreign policy.
Soooo librul.

From her ballotpedia:

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Washington & Special Interests: For years, your representatives have allowed powerful special interests to override the will of the people. Washington has continuously been bribed by wealthy organizations and put their agendas first. This produces unfair legislation that hurts the innovator, middle class, and the economy. I firmly believe that democracy shouldn’t be bought. If elected, I will always make the people my number one priority.

Foreign Policy: ’ll work to put an end to all wars of aggression; drastically reduce military spending; repeal The Patriot Act; cease all military actions that violate the Geneva Convention; promote free trade, and repeal the NDAA.

Economy: I’ll work to stimulate job growth for all Americans, provide realistic incentives for companies to keep jobs in the US, and scrutinize regulatory barriers that hinder job growth but do nothing to protect the health or wealth of the population. I”ll work to make free trade the friend of our small business communities.

Taxes: It is no secret that everyday Americans pay too much in federal taxes. That’s why I’m determined to cut wasteful government spending. My solution is simple. Let’s stop spending billions on unnecessary and ineffective governmental programs and wars of aggression abroad. I will vote against more American intervention in the Middle East and will not give one more cent for the NSA’s unconstitutional domestic spying programs.

Federal Spending: Federal spending is out of control. We don’t need to let Congress throw away more of our money. I’ll work to reduce our “war chest” budget, eliminate needless layers of bureaucracy, and hold our elected representatives accountable for voting on legislation that wastes tax payers’ money while perpetuating violent, military expansion



Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:41 am to
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I am not killing anyone.

People choose to do that to themselves.



Alright. Now we have established that nothing will be done about the welfare state, even for criminal illegals. Now what are we to do about the estimated 20-40 billion dollars spent every year housing, feeding, educating, medicating, policing, prosecuting, and incarcerating criminal illegals in this country? Maybe do something to stop them from being able to walk across the border into this country illegally? What do you think? Too much government for you, right?
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:42 am to
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How are you going to do that when you have millions walking across the border every year?
Border Security.
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