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re: Libertarians: how much power should employers have in firing workers?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:16 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:16 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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I see no reason is 2014 why marriages legal in one state are not legal in another. That's just stupid. 1 nation 1 law.
It is also crazy that companies cannot sell their insurance in every state but have restrictions state by state. restraint of trade
I have no idea what this has to do with my question about stop and frisk that you seem to refuse to answer.
I also didn't bring religion into anything. It is not my fault you chose to interpret my previous post as such.
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Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:19 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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So you are saying it's wrong to discriminate but you want to have the ability to do it? So Bama should have been integrated but you want the ability to keep it white? (Just an example). So if I go into a Shoney's, they have the right to tell me no Jews allowed?
If you are talking about Bama, the univeristy, there is a difference here. The government has the right to set requirements for publicly funded institutions, but should not for private ones.
Discrimination is a moral and social issue, not a government one.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:20 pm to saltybulldog
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So, lets assume some guy, who has a mixed labor force, sells his company to someone else. The new guy takes over and fires all women or people of a race that differs from his. That scenario presents a problem. However, I dont think the government should have to step in. Those employees could either campaign to the public to boycott or start their own company and compete against their ex-employeer...or just go find other work.
Or the 2nd guy loses business because of his prejudices led him to firing productive employees.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:21 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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That's just stupid. 1 nation 1 law.
La. doesn't allow Sunday liquor sales. Some states do. 1 nation 1 law.
La. requires voter ID. Some states don't. 1 nation 1 law.
I could go on. The fact is, you leftists preach diversity but you HATE diversity. You want all people to be the same under the all powerful force of govt.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:29 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Jeaux apparently doesn't understand the concept of Federalism.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 4:25 pm to Libertyabides71
He also, apparently, doesn't want to answer my question 
Posted on 12/27/13 at 4:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Should private companies be allowed to fire workers over race or gender
Well, um....yeah. But, what company exactly would fire someone based on race that it hired in the first place? Did the race slip past them on the hiring?
quote:Why? There's no law mandating the worker notify the employer.
Should there be laws that allow workers to be notified reasonably well before the decision is made?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 4:57 pm to SettleDown
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But, what company exactly would fire someone based on race that it hired in the first place? Did the race slip past them on the hiring?
Quotas. If Company X had 100 employees and all of them were white the DOJ would be on them like a Labrador Retriever on a nest of squirrels.
It would not matter that all 100 whites were the best qualified. They would have to protect themselves by hiring unqualified blacks.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 4:59 pm to SettleDown
quote:So a worker should just show up for work one day and find out he's now unemployed? frick that. People don't have savings these days to be able to handle that.
Why? There's no law mandating the worker notify the employer.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 5:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Sorry just got home. I understand Federalism but havme some reservations. Ny stop and frisk works but.... Not if too zealous cops use it wrongly. Cant text on subway below river. Discrimation in private business was done away with tears ago. Integrated lunch counters. . I know before oyr times. Fck the free market as far as ending discrimination. If the civil rights act didnt force it don't you think thwre would stlll be segregation? Sorry typing on phone
Posted on 12/27/13 at 5:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Why? What's the big deal? A worker can choose to NOT show up one day without so much as calling in to say he quits. They can do so regardless of the effect upon their employer. Hell, the decision could actually cost the employer money or a deal in certain cases. Two way street my friend.
So a worker should just show up for work one day and find out he's now unemployed? frick that.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 5:35 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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If the civil rights act didnt force it don't you think thwre would stlll be segregation? Sorry typing on phone
You keep thinking in terms of race. So, I'll deal with that. Baseball segregation was not ended by Jackie Robinson or the Govt. It was ended by the free market.
But the OP is about Libertarian philosophy. And it's about business owners and employees. Why do you keep going back to race? If I were a business owner and the best ten applicants were black I'd hire them all. I don't believe in diversity. I believe in freedom.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 5:37 pm to Zach
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If the civil rights act didnt force it don't you think thwre would stlll be segregation? Sorry typing on phone
Nope. Hell. Segregation required LAWS because, absent Jim Crow laws, the govt couldn't trust that some white people wouldn't hire or do business with blacks. If it was a given that all whites would have adhered to the anti-black mode, there would've been no need for laws on the subject.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Companies should be able to fire at will employees for whatever they want.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:58 pm to DelU249
quote:Even if it risks homelessness for the employee? Low wage workers have NO savings.
Companies should be able to fire at will employees for whatever they want.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:59 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Thats crazy. Racial and sexual discrimination is illegal and wrong. Companies have the right to terminate em0ployment at any time for cause. Fired for being black or woman is not cause.
I don't get it. Why would you hire them if you're gonna fire someone for one of these reasons knowing they were black or a woman? Claiming termination for this sounds like made up bullshite.
It should go without saying that racism or sexual harassment are a completely different issue.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:02 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Even if it risks homelessness for the employee? Low wage workers have NO savings.
So you think it's wrong to fire an employee no matter what the reason simply because they will suffer financially and materially?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:No, but i don't think it is terrible to give me a few weeks notice in order to get a new job, save some money for unemployment time.
So you think it's wrong to fire an employee no matter what the reason simply because they will suffer financially and materially?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:18 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Again. Why should I have to give you a few weeks notice when you don't have to give me the same? If I was relying on you to complete a project that I had to present to a client this week but you found another job and just didn't show up Monday so I lost the client, do you owe me anything?
No, but i don't think it is terrible to give me a few weeks notice in order to get a new job, save some money for unemployment time.
Nope.
So. Why the reverse requirement?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
My post requires no explanation
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