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re: Liberals: Explain to me why Alfie Evans shouldn't be able to go to Italy
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:10 pm to SCLibertarian
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:10 pm to SCLibertarian
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No progressive will come on here and argue for this boy to be killed because it's bad PR, but this is the end result of their ideology. For all the feigned compassion towards the oppressed and defenseless, this is the end result of an ideology that believes people are merely chattel of the state. When belief in natural law vanishes, you have this dystopian nightmare to look forward to.
GTFOH....c'mon, man. You're better than this.
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:28 pm to mmmmmbeeer
For centuries, English Common Law, the law of Locke, Blackstone, Burke and Mill, recognized the almost absolute right of parents to make decisions on behalf of their children. Now they have a system where doctors, who are part and parcel of a government-run healthcare system, have the authority, enforced by government-employed police officers, to prevent a child from even seeking alternative care at the expense of a third-party, where the parents deem it desirable.
There is no justification for these parents not to be able to go to Italy and seek treatment for their child. What then, other than a legal system that treats a child as property of the state, is the reason for these rulings? The cost-benefit analysis is now moot. It has to be a belief that the state's relationship to a child is even more important than than that of its parents.
There is no justification for these parents not to be able to go to Italy and seek treatment for their child. What then, other than a legal system that treats a child as property of the state, is the reason for these rulings? The cost-benefit analysis is now moot. It has to be a belief that the state's relationship to a child is even more important than than that of its parents.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:36 pm to wmr
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All of their freedom-loving people (as well as their religious nuts) immigrated to America. All the UK has left is sexual deviants, welfare trash, "royalty" and a shitload of crazy Muslims.
You really need to climb off your sister and get outside the trailer park every once in a while, there is a big wide world out there full of lots of different peoople with different ideas.
If you believe the USA is the land of the free you are a fool, lots of places have lots more freedom than us, that shite is just a slogan for the dullards of the pack.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:53 pm to cave canem
I’ve always wondered, from a religious point of view, why Christians advocate for the extension of human life (particurally when that life lacks the means necessary to sustain itself) when there is the belief that heaven is the ultimate utopia. God will take him when it is his time, whether or not he is attached to modern technology.
Thus, why do parents choose to extend suffering when heaven awaits?
I do have a hard time justifying extending life for this child in the context of a religious framework (and an ethical one as well).
Thus, why do parents choose to extend suffering when heaven awaits?
I do have a hard time justifying extending life for this child in the context of a religious framework (and an ethical one as well).
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:44 pm to ctalati32
You want America to be more socialist. Piss off. You are the enemy of freedom.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:53 pm to cave canem
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lots of places have lots more freedom than us, that shite
Name the top 20 and why. I'm interested
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:04 am to roadGator
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Name the top 20 and why. I'm interested
Rather than get into a pissing contest peruse the link
LINK
I disagree with many of them but it is a start for you.
In many ways even Iran is freer than the USA, just depends on what is important to you, no one there cares if you wear a seat belt, paint your house purple, diddle you goat, or beat your wife.
I have been fortunate enough to live in quite a few places and have found freedom to be a very abstract concept.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:29 am to cave canem
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no one there cares if you wear a seat belt, paint your house purple, diddle you goat, or beat your wife
MSU fan list of weekend activities?
I kid, I kid. Still though, Iran? Oh hell no. That's just silly.
I can paint my house purple too.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:36 am to ctalati32
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kids are screwed over by private insurance and die as a result you've got your head in the sand
For example? Sorry...being an LPN doesn't qualify you to know what the docs, families, and the insurance companies do. Commie.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:42 am to IrishTiger89
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do have a hard time justifying extending life for this child in the context of a religious framework (and an ethical one as well).
Probably because you lack even the most basic understanding of religion and ethics.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:47 am to IrishTiger89
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I’ve always wondered, from a religious point of view, why Christians advocate for the extension of human life (particurally when that life lacks the means necessary to sustain itself) when there is the belief that heaven is the ultimate utopia.
Because our faith teaches to preserve human life and protect it as much as we can. The belief is god will take us when it is time. We shouldn’t be making that decision. That is why this is disheartening.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:48 am to Ross
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shite like this is why I don’t think slippery slope arguments are invalid.
The Slippery Slope Fallacy isn't always a fallacy if a trend can be established with a particular set of data.
Government is a walking talking example of a logical slippery slope.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:52 am to BeeFense5
So it is our duty to mechanically extend life as long as possible even when life is devoid of cognitive activity. God still has the ability to choose when it is our time whether we are attached to machinery or not
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:55 am to IrishTiger89
Nobody is bringing up religion except you. Bigot.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:55 am to IrishTiger89
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So it is our duty to mechanically extend life as long as possible even when life is devoid of cognitive activity.
We just ran into this situation with my father three weeks ago. A machine was keeping him alive and had no cognitive function. We consulted with the priest at our church and made the call that he was not coming back. Hardest thing I have ever been through in my life but I feel at peace that we tried all we could to save him.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:56 am to BBONDS25
But should we be? Is religion not valid in this discussion?
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 7:57 am
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:57 am to BeeFense5
Glad you found peace in a difficult time.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:58 am to roadGator
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I kid, I kid. Still though, Iran? Oh hell no. That's just silly.
All depends on the lens you look through.
Lots of folks in countries without taxes laugh at Americans and think they are slaves of the State and in some respects they are correct.
If the government can take your land for not paying taxes did you really ever own it?
If you can be locked away in jail for not kicking up income to Uncle Sam were you ever really free?
If you can be physically forced to take a drug test do you even own your own body?
Hell the US government even considers me a slave even when I live and work outside the US, no other country does that nonsense, think about that, my govenment considers me their property no matter where on earth I go.
The USA is one of the most regulated countries on earth, we have lots of "freedoms" but certianly not a monopoly on it.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:58 am to anc
this story pisses me off more than I could put into words
I can't fathom what I would do in this situation
I can't fathom what I would do in this situation
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:58 am to IrishTiger89
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But should we be? Is religion not valid in this discussion? This post was edited on 4/25 at 7:57 am
I'm a fan of separation of religion and government. Bigot.
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