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re: Let’s talk Gold and why it’s not cratering.

Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:59 pm to
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
8809 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:59 pm to
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can you show me the returns of the S&P over the last 30 years compared to Gold?
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GOLD
1995 $384
2025 $3100

SP
$100 in 1995 gets you $2232 today
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
17004 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 3:06 pm to
Buffet was talking more than a little bit of, much more than 30K. Hell my wife has more than that on her neck, wrist & fingers on a given day. When someone is talking about investments of gold they are talking about life changing values and those need security unless you are talking positions, but those are not physical assets and good luck collecting on if shite meets fan
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
8809 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 3:09 pm to
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Buffet was talking more than a little bit of, much more than 30K. Hell my wife has more than that on her neck, wrist & fingers on a given day. When someone is talking about investments of gold they are talking about life changing values and those need security unless you are talking positions, but those are not physical assets and good luck collecting on if shite meets fan


Is $4M life changing? Because you can store that much in a box that costs 40 bucks a year
Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 3:09 pm to
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This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 11:35 am
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
18505 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 3:11 pm to
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I never sell, just buy it’s an addiction and possibly a good problem?

Perhaps. In Sept 2012 gold was $1776. In Dec 2018 it was $1082. Gold prices can drop. It all revolves around what you paid and what you sold it for.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
17004 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 3:19 pm to
Well 4m is awesome to own right ! But buying it comes with a premium and selling it comes with a market maker loss( I think 28%) into the market. And that pesty 8300 gov form that is required on transactions of 10k or more. That way feds get their cut. So unless you make a get boom in it then you wasted time. People that make money on gold are buyers in strip malls, jewelers, tv scalpers or miners. But good luck with it
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
8809 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 3:27 pm to
Why does selling come at a premium? Is paying 3$ over spot a premium? Buying stocks through a broker usually requires paying the broker.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
17004 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:06 pm to
Buying it not selling it comes with a premium if you are getting physical gold as it’s going to be market price plus handling fees. Whereas selling it will come at a discount rather than market prices because again handlers charge, this is where they rape a person because they deem it basically that you’re selling because you want to unload it. Those ads you see on tv and such are not do the selling to break even
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:22 pm to
I believe the price of gold has been manipulated in 2018-2921. When gold goes up the dollar is weakening. When debt goes up, gold increases.

All of the typical gold movements did not make sense for the last few years.

It should be sky rocketing.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
8809 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:42 am to
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All of the typical gold movements did not make sense for the last few years. It should be sky rocketing.


You need to understand the difference between real and paper gold. Real is real, paper is a promise to get gold out of the ground that may or may not be there. Because they are valued equally, paper allows the market to manipulate the price. For every real oz of gold held by a human, there’s 400 oz held by another human. Dumping that paper when gold prices rise allows real gold to stagnate.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9526 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:50 am to
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Possession of gold is flowing from London to NYC because banks are arbitraging the higher spot prices.


6-12 months ago this was still true.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9526 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:00 am to
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But buying it comes with a premium and selling it comes with a market maker loss( I think 28%) into the market.


No different than other assets , really. People routinely pay ETF fees and asset transaction fees.

E.g. artwork. It’s a hard asset ….. if I pay auction fees, shipping/handling fees, preservation costs, and insurance, etc ….. all those “expenses” are deductible against the appreciation…. and it may still net more than an alternative asset class, like equities.

If you are patient, You can routinely buy government minted bullion with premiums of less than 3%.

On the other item, Cap gains are cap gains … the asset doesn’t matter.
Posted by TNTigerman
James Island
Member since Sep 2012
11771 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:18 am to
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Because Russia and China has been buying gold like gang busters the last few years

Don't forget central banks.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53597 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:20 am to
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Because Russia and China has been buying gold like gang busters the last few years


A lot of Central banks have been buying gold for the past several years.
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