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re: Lessons of Viet Nam--everyone should watch the PBS series--
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:06 am to I B Freeman
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:06 am to I B Freeman
Little different now hippie. Now they have nukes. This isn't about World Police. This is about ending this regime before they start a nuclear holocaust.
But you probably think ask nicely, and the bad men go away.
But you probably think ask nicely, and the bad men go away.
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:07 am to I B Freeman
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black families throughout the South had kids in Nam and were proud of them
Ok,what does this have to do with the black population and the civil rights establishment not supporting war?
Of course people who had family members in war supported them.Why wouldn't they?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:11 am to I B Freeman
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Maybe
How so?You think we were on the wrong side?
YOU think Korean peninsula would be better off ruled by NOKO?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:19 am to I B Freeman
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Viet Nam today is a growing industrial nation. They are competing with China in a lot of industries.
It's going to be a top 40 economy really soon. A lot of small businesses over there. Tourism is still booming. I was traveling to my home town of Nha Trang. All I see is an overflow influx of Chinese and Russian tourists. The city/town is slowly losing its identity. I home it doesn't happen to Da Nang.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:26 am to Strannix
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The IC and deep state is much more dangerous than the military
Listening to the tapes of Nixon and Kissinger is chilling. They use the word "cold blooded" several times. They knew thousands were going to die just to get them past the 72 election. With Americans dead and the bombing of the North killing civilians. Probably 10,000 people killed just because of those conversations. The President and Kissinger willing to kill bushels just to get past the election.
We are going through the same things now. The Middle East war is only sustainable because the casualties all have one less zero in them due to its nature. If 60,000 soldiers were dead instead of 6,000 this shite would be even more off the rails.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:33 am to PeteRose
Nice videos of Vietnam veterans and North Vietnam soldier drinking and talking about the war. If it weren't for politicians, why on earth would these people shoot at each other?
BTW, old guy in video fought the Japanese in WW2, The French, and the Americans. Damn, what are the odds of making out alive after all that?
LINK
BTW, old guy in video fought the Japanese in WW2, The French, and the Americans. Damn, what are the odds of making out alive after all that?
LINK
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:36 am to PeteRose
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:41 am to PeteRose
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Tourism is still booming.
If I'm ever going to be on a plane that long, I have Vietnam above places like Hong Kong, Singapore, even Red China.
Do you have any recommendations if I were planning an Asian trip for 2020 or 2021? Da Nang? I do want to do some war tourism, but mostly just eat and sit on the beach.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:47 am to Ace Midnight
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Do you have any recommendations if I were planning an Asian trip for 2020 or 2021? Da Nang? I do want to do some war tourism, but mostly just eat and sit on the beach.
To hang out, chill, and eat... probably Nha Trang and Da Nang. Both have nice beaches. I prefer Da Nang. It's a larger city, cleaner, less touristy.
If you want to do war tourism, probably Hanoi and HCMC. You can see Ho Chi Minh's body in Hanoi.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:50 am to PeteRose
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I prefer Da Nang. It's a larger city, cleaner, less touristy.
I was leaning that way, anyway.
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If you want to do war tourism, probably Hanoi and HCMC.
I'm not going to Hanoi - maybe HCMC - I guess one can get to the delta easier from HCMC. I figured Da Nang has access to the old DMZ, plus the big battle there - unsure how much effort Vietnam puts into battlefields and stuff.
I suppose it's dangerous to explore on your own due to leftover mines, booby-traps, unexploded ordnance and such.
How safe are Nha Trang and Da Nang for American tourists?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:52 am to I B Freeman
I want to see Colin Powell talk about Vietnam experiences.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:55 am to PeteRose
You have got to be kidding me . Are you really comparing the corrupt government of Vietnam to Louisiana government ? What an idiot. I mean , me - for not thinking of that earlier, lol.
Seriously- I could give you 1000 examples of how oppressive the Vietnamese government is . I think that being a Vietnamese- American you know as well as anybody that you have more rights in Vietnam than a Vietnamese citizen. Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom of Religion, Property Rights - persecution of Buddhist monks and nuns - these are all very big issues in Vietnam.
I also think that the Vietnamese people are blessed with a kind of superior family and food culture that serves as a sort of societal opioid- in other words - Vietnamese life is pretty damn fulfilling on so many other levels because the family life is so ideal and strong and the culture is so vibrant and positive. I admire the Vietnamese people tremendously.
Seriously- I could give you 1000 examples of how oppressive the Vietnamese government is . I think that being a Vietnamese- American you know as well as anybody that you have more rights in Vietnam than a Vietnamese citizen. Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom of Religion, Property Rights - persecution of Buddhist monks and nuns - these are all very big issues in Vietnam.
I also think that the Vietnamese people are blessed with a kind of superior family and food culture that serves as a sort of societal opioid- in other words - Vietnamese life is pretty damn fulfilling on so many other levels because the family life is so ideal and strong and the culture is so vibrant and positive. I admire the Vietnamese people tremendously.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:02 am to Ace Midnight
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How safe are Nha Trang and Da Nang for American tourists?
Da Nang is super safe. I didn't have any issue with Nha Trang except for a couple of close motorbike accident. There has been issues of petty theft(mostly from drug addicts and thug wannabe) but I didn't experience any of it. Just use your head and don't leave your things unattended.
The thing that I like about Da Nang other cities is that there's not people trying to sell you stuff on the street. In HCMC whenever I'm drinking coffee in public, people are trying to sell you lotto tickets, trinkets, foods, offering to clean your shoes. But you don't get that in Da Nang.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:10 am to PeteRose
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The thing that I like about Da Nang other cities is that there's not people trying to sell you stuff on the street. In HCMC whenever I'm drinking coffee in public, people are trying to sell you lotto tickets, trinkets, foods, offering to clean your shoes. But you don't get that in Da Nang.
Exactly my thinking - I don't want Vietnamese "Mexico" - and how is Hue as a tourist stop? I know that's right there at Da Nang as well.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:21 am to Lsupimp
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Freedom of Speech
This one is kind of odd in regards to US. In vietnam, it's not good to talk about the government in public whereas in the US, it's kind of cool/funny to do it. In the US, you have to be careful about what you say with regards to PC/sensitive topic. In vietnam, it's all fair game. I was in a coffee shop in HCMC and asked a mother and her daughter (late 50s and 20s respectively) about the recent attack on the Ariana Grande concert. They didn't hold anything back and this is in public. Can you imagine doing that here?
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because the family life is so ideal
Vietnamese culture revolves around the family nucleus. The man is the protector and provider of the family. The woman is the nurturer/caretaker. Woman do not consider it degrading when they stay home, cook for the family, and take care of the family. It's very traditional. I mean in order to get married the right way over there, the groom's father has to visit the bride's father and has for his blessing. The culture encourages the father to be in the picture of the family unit.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:25 am to Ace Midnight
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Hue as a tourist stop?
I did not go to Hue. I heard it's a 45 minute ride from Da Nang. From what I've heard, it's an cool old city to visit. Maybe I can check it out next year, along with Dalat.
On a side note, Hoi An was nice visit. 40 minute scooter ride from Da Nang. Lots of old buildings. But you know it's super touristy when the local Vietnamese are speaking English to you.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:51 am to PeteRose
The first thing my Viet peeps said on Sunday was twelve variations of "Can you believe these ungrateful NFL players"... 
So I concur. The only Vietnamese politics I ever talk are with the monks from Vietnam-usually about some temple being repressed or property seized. Now we talk American politics constantly in a family setting.
Here is my favorite Vietnamese social ritual. Imagine a family dinner with an American guest:
Uncle Trung: Hey Pimp, ya want some shrimp?
Pimp: No thank you.
Uncle Trung: You don't like shrimp? Why you not like shrimp?
Pimp: I do like shrimp. I'm just full.
Uncle Trung: Hey everybody, he no like shrimp, Why you no like shrimp? Everybody likes shrimp...
Pimp: facepalm.
At the casino:
Cousin Hiep: Hey buddy. You want to gamble?
Pimp: No thank you, I already spent all the money in my pocket.
Cousin Hiep: Why you no like gamble? Everybody like gamble. Hey everybody, he no like gamble.
Pimp: Facepalm.
There is a tendency to find the anomaly and focus on it. As every Thanksgiving meal for 25 years proves...
So I concur. The only Vietnamese politics I ever talk are with the monks from Vietnam-usually about some temple being repressed or property seized. Now we talk American politics constantly in a family setting.
Here is my favorite Vietnamese social ritual. Imagine a family dinner with an American guest:
Uncle Trung: Hey Pimp, ya want some shrimp?
Pimp: No thank you.
Uncle Trung: You don't like shrimp? Why you not like shrimp?
Pimp: I do like shrimp. I'm just full.
Uncle Trung: Hey everybody, he no like shrimp, Why you no like shrimp? Everybody likes shrimp...
Pimp: facepalm.
At the casino:
Cousin Hiep: Hey buddy. You want to gamble?
Pimp: No thank you, I already spent all the money in my pocket.
Cousin Hiep: Why you no like gamble? Everybody like gamble. Hey everybody, he no like gamble.
Pimp: Facepalm.
There is a tendency to find the anomaly and focus on it. As every Thanksgiving meal for 25 years proves...
Posted on 9/28/17 at 12:03 pm to TigerDog83
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The Nixon team meddling in the Vietnam peace talks was a pretty serious offense that luckily Johnson let go.
He committed treason. He was not a great man or president but for Watergate. He possessed the worst qualities of a politician which ultimately led to his demise. Richard Nixon is a stain on the Presidency.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 9:45 am to Champagne
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Plenty of other channels for this documentary: History Channel, Ntl Geo channel, Military History channel and others.
Apparently, it couldn't be done in this case. I assure you that Burns would enter an agreement with any of those entities, had they been offered.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 9:48 am to Mulat
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I don't watch CRAP that subverts our Country and most of all written, directed and produced by a leftist anti American Jerk
You are way offbase . Burns gives a voice to all perspectives in this one.
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