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re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:VERY important element. I have mentioned “Denver jury” about a dozen times.quote:
But you clearly got me on the Denver culture aspect. That is a wildcard for me.It'll be interesting. I think that it works against Dolloff at the end of the day.
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Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:11 pm to Tiguar
I'm still willing to say that Dolloff simply had the wrong mindset for security, and this is an issue of insufficient training rather than malintent. I have serious doubts that he was out to murder someone.
I know Wolf thinks we have a conspiracy, and I respect his opinions and intellect, but I'm not there yet.
I know Wolf thinks we have a conspiracy, and I respect his opinions and intellect, but I'm not there yet.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:12 pm to AggieHank86
What part of afterwards do you not understand?
Did you not watch the damn video?
Again from the, 1:54 mark;
"Security for 9News" (Dolloff)
"The guy was going to get me" (Newman)
"He's my security guard"
“He maced him (x3)”
“He maced him so that’s when he shot him”
“That guy just saved my fricking life, you know that right?”
"The guy on the ground was going to mace me."
"That was my security guard, he just protected my fricking life."
YouTube video
They watched the entire encounter unfold between Elliot and Keltner. They saw him draw out the mace. They heard Elliot dare Keltner to mace him. How much more OBTUSE do you have to be Hank? The preponderance of the evidence is that Newman knew it was MACE.
This is why everyone hates discussing things with you in threads. You act like an absolute and utter arse because you ignore the obvious and bog down good dialogue with inane and unnecessary musings about what if. A trained news man can see what is transpiring less than ten feet in front of him. He knew he was looking at MACE.
Did you not watch the damn video?
Again from the, 1:54 mark;
"Security for 9News" (Dolloff)
"The guy was going to get me" (Newman)
"He's my security guard"
“He maced him (x3)”
“He maced him so that’s when he shot him”
“That guy just saved my fricking life, you know that right?”
"The guy on the ground was going to mace me."
"That was my security guard, he just protected my fricking life."
YouTube video
They watched the entire encounter unfold between Elliot and Keltner. They saw him draw out the mace. They heard Elliot dare Keltner to mace him. How much more OBTUSE do you have to be Hank? The preponderance of the evidence is that Newman knew it was MACE.
This is why everyone hates discussing things with you in threads. You act like an absolute and utter arse because you ignore the obvious and bog down good dialogue with inane and unnecessary musings about what if. A trained news man can see what is transpiring less than ten feet in front of him. He knew he was looking at MACE.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:13 pm to Tiguar
quote:You are going to have a half-dozen expert witnesses recreating the sequence from all the video and photo evidence. That timeline will detail events to the 1/10of a second.
The video adds context and timing. It wouldn’t just be the attorney saying Dolloff was struck in the head and Keltner engaged the mace: you’d have a bunch of conflicting witnesses saying who did what and when. Plenty of room to inject doubt and confuse memory.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:15 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:When two people keep turning up in the wrong places (Richardson and Elliot) and bad things happen, yeah brother, that is the making of a conspiracy. When there are multiple pictures of Keltner crossing 14th Avenue West going north and then south and Newman and Dolloff are right there in trail, yeah, that is not a good look.
I know Wolf thinks we have a conspiracy, and I respect his opinions and intellect, but I'm not there yet.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:18 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
I know Wolf thinks we have a conspiracy, and I respect his opinions and intellect, but I'm not there yet.
There was absolutely a conspiracy to create a scene for news and there was absolute disregard for the victim. Someone is heard off camera saying "one less white supremacist" or something to that effect.
What I think was in Dolloffs mind:
1. My gun is cool. I spent money on it and trained with it
2. I am a bad arse
3. Conservatives are stupid, violent nazis who want to kill me. I assume all conservatives immediately escalate force.
4. They think I'm a pussy. If they mess with me, they'll find out I'm not a pussy. I'm ready.
5. This guy slapped the shite out of me. He is a dumb nazi conservative and probably about to shoot me because he thinks I'm a pussy. He's about to find out progressives carry too! I'm a bad arse and will kill him before he kills me
6. frick, he didnt actually draw a gun
This post was edited on 10/16/20 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:18 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
When two people keep turning up in the wrong places (Richardson and Elliot) and bad things happen, yeah brother, that is the making of a conspiracy. When there are multiple pictures of Keltner crossing 14th Avenue West going north and then south and Newman and Dolloff are right there in trail, yeah, that is not a good look.
None of that is an indictment on Dolloff, though. His attorney would have a field day with that.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:20 pm to AggieHank86
If you are protecting a client as he assumedly was it's your job to protect the client.
Doloff should have placed himself between the threat and the client and if needed forcibly moved her away projecting himself as a shield.
He instigated threat and did nothing like anyone from a responsible team would have done.
He failed.
He bacame a threat in action and instigated threat without protecting his client.
That's why he is a murderer as charged.
No bail for doloff and hopefully more people are charged damn the semantics.
Doloff should have placed himself between the threat and the client and if needed forcibly moved her away projecting himself as a shield.
He instigated threat and did nothing like anyone from a responsible team would have done.
He failed.
He bacame a threat in action and instigated threat without protecting his client.
That's why he is a murderer as charged.
No bail for doloff and hopefully more people are charged damn the semantics.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:20 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Did you see his weapon? How many ill trained security guards show up with a weapon like this fellow Marine describes?
insufficient training
Go to the 6:20 mark to get his observations on the weapon used and his shooting technique.
BlackScoutSurvival
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:21 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
There are probably two dozen media-types hanging around south of the rally location for an hour or so.
Is it really that amazing that Helen and Newman/Dolloff got caught in the same frame (NOT engaging one another) a few times?
Is it really that amazing that Helen and Newman/Dolloff got caught in the same frame (NOT engaging one another) a few times?
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:23 pm to Tiguar
quote:
Someone is heard off camera saying "one less white supremacist" or something to that effect.
That was Elliot and it is on video as he had just left the scene
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:24 pm to Tiguar
I don't think he was nearly that thoughtful. Maybe leading up to it, which is what I meant by mindset.
But I think once Keltner hit him, any deliberate thought took a back seat until right after he pulled the trigger.
But I think once Keltner hit him, any deliberate thought took a back seat until right after he pulled the trigger.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:24 pm to BarberitosDawg
quote:He wasn’t hired to protect Helen. He was hired to protect Newman.
If you are protecting a client as he assumedly was it's your job to protect the client. Doloff should have placed himself between the threat and the client and if needed forcibly moved her away projecting himself as a shield.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:25 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
yeah I meant mindset, not actual verbatim thoughts
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:25 pm to Tiguar
quote:Elliott/BGM.
Someone is heard off camera saying "one less white supremacist" or something to that effect.
I don’t think anyone is saying HE is not an a-hole.
BTW, the thought sequence was entertaining, and I mean that in a good, non-sarcastic way.
This post was edited on 10/16/20 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:26 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I don’t think anyone is saying HE is not an a-hole.
which is why it will be interesting if a meaningful association between him and any of the involved is found
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:26 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
Did you see his weapon?
I did. I'm not saying he didn't have training.
I'm saying his training was lacking. If he was trained professionally, he was trained by someone who shouldn't be training civilians.
And that weapon mirrors any number of the Glocks I've seen other larpers running around with.
Good training probably doesn't come with that RMR he had mounted, in my opinion.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:28 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
I'm saying his training was lacking. If he was trained professionally, he was trained by someone who shouldn't be training civilians.
Sorry to be "this guy" and help without being asked but you're saying he was trained to shoot and kill; not assess situations and protect. He lacked requisite training to actually be security.
I got you
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:28 pm to BarberitosDawg
quote:
Doloff should have placed himself between the threat and the client
From what I've seen, he did just that.
Didn't he?
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:30 pm to Tiguar
quote:
Sorry to be "this guy" and help without being asked but you're saying he was trained to shoot and kill; not assess situations and protect. He lacked requisite training to actually be security.
Precisely that.
I have an admittedly minimum amount of training and experience doing personal protection, and he did a lot of things wrong in that regard. Not everything, but enough.
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