re: “Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy mercy”

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I do hate the hatred of God. Anyone who hates God is my enemy until they repent

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How do you reconcile verses like praying for your enemies or Ezekiel 33 where the Lord declares he takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked? Not to mention, we’re all wicked apart from Christ Jesus. How do you reconcile wishing for destruction of those that in Matthew 5, Jesus calls us to lift up in prayer?


Furthermore, God graciously invites us to be part of reconciling the lost to him. How do we evangelize when we spend our time wishing for their destruction until they repent? Of course they hate God, they’re lost. The flesh hates God and is wicked. What if the person who evangelized to you never did because they decided you were too wicked and deserved destruction?


What would your view of the apostle Paul be? Would you have wished for Paul’s destruction?




I respect that you have a strong sense of justice and what’s right and wrong, but lovingly brother, it seems like what you’re saying is not in complete alignment with the great commission Christ gave us. You said yourself that you hate people that hate God and use David as evidence of justification for that position. After all, David felt that way and he was a man after God’s own heart. David also stole another man’s wife and murdered him. Jesus is lord and he has all authority. He tells us to pray for our enemies. I’m going to obey Jesus.

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Psalm 139 19 Oh that you would slay the wicked, O God! O men of blood, depart from me! 20 They speak against you with malicious intent; your enemies take your name in vain. 21 Do I not hate those who hate you, O Lord? And do I not loathe those who rise up against you? 22 I hate them with complete hatred; I count them my enemies.

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Psalm 139 is a description of David’s feelings, not a prescriptive command for how we should treat others. David’s feelings do not supersede the authority and commandments of Jesus.


David also speaks in depth about God essentially forgetting him in leaving him in despair in Psalm 77. Does that mean we should lose faith that God is faithful because David felt that way in the Psalms? Lovingly, I think you’re using that verse to justify your anger when God’s word says that vengeance belongs to him and we are to pray for our enemies. I understand how hard it is to show goodness to those who don’t in our mind deserve it but frankly, we all deserve destruction.

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Are you really discrediting David because of his sin with Bathsheba? It seems as if you are doing that. Ill let you clarify

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I’m saying that because David prayed to destroy God’s enemies in Psalm 139 doesn’t mean that his view or prayer to God supersedes Christ’s commandments. David is not infallible and while it is beneficial for us to have a view of the ebbs and flows of his life and faith, that doesn’t mean we should pick out particular Psalms to base our theology on, particularly when that theology contrasts the teaching of Christ. We should learn from David’s life as we spiritually mature and grow but that doesn’t mean we should do everything that David thought was a good idea.

Thank you my friend.

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Psalm 139 is a description of David’s feelings, not a prescriptive command for how we should treat others. David’s feelings do not supersede the authority and commandments of Jesus.

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Psalm 139 does not contradict Jesus.

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The perpetrators from Minneapolis, Charlotte, and Utah all fall into the category of most needing the Lord’s mercy. But there is no chance in hell I can say those words and mean them at this time.

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Perhaps because you misunderstand the Lord’s mercy. Perhaps because you think that your sin is somehow not as bad as that of those perpetrators.

The reality is that it takes only one sin against the infinitely holy God to condemn us. We are all guilty and the sentence is eternal death and judgement. We will either suffer the righteous wrath and judgement of God that our sin deserves or we will put our faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus was God who took on human flesh, lived the sinless life we cannot live and suffered a death in our place to absorb the wrath of God. That is God’s mercy given through faith in what he did, not through anything we could ever do. We get Christ’s righteousness credited to us; Christ nails our sin to the cross and marks it “paid in full”.

No one’s “good works” can ever put God in their debt as though He would then owe them heaven.

For me as I made a decision to pray more and more I slowly began to realize the Love of God a little. I started to realize that God loves everyone, even the worst sinners of evil, and does not want anyone to be lost forever. We all need His Mercy and as long as we repent and turn toward Him then I believe God can work with that. Now I’m not perfect by no means but I realize that I can keep seeking Him. When I first read of the news of Charlie Kirk I was very angry, I didn’t like the way I felt. Yes God loves Tyler Robinson, that is hard for me to say but His Love is sometimes beyond our comprehension. I for one am so grateful that people have prayed for me. I have never done anything as horrible as Tyler but I’m a sinner nonetheless. If we carry anger in our hearts it only hurts us.

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I have nothing to add except that your posts in this thread have been excellent. You're a good dude.

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I found JiminyCricket‘s post to be very comforting.