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re: Laura Ingraham forced to apologize to David Hogg UPDATE: 15 advertisers gone

Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:07 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297283 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:07 am to
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While I appreciate your link, I have kids and going to their latest STEAM (Science Technology Engineering and Math) Fair showed the kind of stuff kids are creating now. They're in elementary school and it was FAR better than the stuff I grew up on. It isn't even close. It's like comparing a community college to Harvard.


Nice anecdotal evidence.

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Perhaps most of the board won't share this perspective as Louisiana is ranked dead last for states eduationally. Alaska is ranked 45th for what it's worth.


Usually directly related to the type of students you have. In Ak, village schools are high tech babysitting services.


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The state I live in currently is in the upper quarter of the survey, so perhaps what I see daily supports my viewpoint.


Probably.

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However, it kinda sounds like you don't have kids and you're relying on an internet article to support your view. Which is slightly ironic, because you just talked about how you can find anything online to support your claim.


You must hate "truth."

Kids are far less creative than they were in the past.

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But researchers say they are finding exactly that. In a 2010 study of about 300,000 creativity tests going back to the 1970s, Kyung Hee Kim, a creativity researcher at the College of William and Mary, found creativity has decreased among American children in recent years. Since 1990, children have become less able to produce unique and unusual ideas. They are also less humorous, less imaginative and less able to elaborate on ideas, Kim said.


Probably comes from our system producing test takers, not idea makers.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/id/44121819/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/are-todays-youth-less-creative-imaginative/#.Wr5fudKWzcs)]LINK[/link]

Kids today are light years ahead in math/science than in the past, but socially and creatively they're suffering. The perfect formula for producing drones.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 11:14 am
Posted by Dignan
Member since Sep 2005
13265 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:11 am to
You're not a parent, are you?
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87646 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:12 am to
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For the most part they are. Kids aren't nearly as mature at 18 as they used to be. 25 is the new 18.


In 1966, my parents were 20 years old. They were married, had a child and owned their own home. My Dad was a sergeant in the Marine Corps.

And their situation was far from uncommon among people their age.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297283 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:12 am to
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You're not a parent, are you?


Posted by Douboy
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
4332 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:13 am to
It’s funny how they use the “children” angle when beneficial.

This whole thing is fricking disgusting. She shouldn’t shouldn’t have stooped to that level.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297283 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:13 am to
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In 1966, my parents were 20 years old. They were married, had a child and owned their own home. My Dad was a sergeant in the Marine Corps.

And their situation was far from uncommon among people their age.


I was married at 20, we both worked and went to school full time. Built my first house by 21. Didn't have children until I was 26.

Posted by Dignan
Member since Sep 2005
13265 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:14 am to
It's obvious you have no experience when talking about kids today.
Posted by Tigahs78732
Austin, TX
Member since Jan 2018
221 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:15 am to
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It is also alarming that the media is only focusing on that particular group of kids. Not any others who either saved fellow classmates or have differing opinions.


This is alarming to you? The leftwing/Commie/MSM pandering to the these SJWs? Sounds spot on to me.
Posted by Lou the Jew from LSU
Member since Oct 2006
5244 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:15 am to
Not so much for WW2
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:16 am to
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Kids today are light years ahead in math/science than in the past, but socially and creatively they're suffering. The perfect formula for producing drones.


Nothing in my experience says this is true either.

When I was a teenager working friggin fast food, every person in my store could work drive through which required figuring change on your own in your head.

Every waitress you met in a restaurant knew how much to give you back when you gave her cash.

Those are low level jobs held by the bottom rung and they could all do it.

Now? You can generate hours of fun just handing any one of those people cash.

frick, I was behind a guy in a sports store when he and the cashier BOTH couldn't figure out what 50% off of a $270 coat was.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:18 am to
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It's obvious you have no experience when talking about kids today.


I've spent most of the past ten years working with high school and college students.

I've seen first-hand the kind of things that Roger's research articles are describing.

In general, if you ask a student nowadays to get from point A to point C, they have no idea how to do it unless you give them point B to guide them.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297283 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:19 am to
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It's obvious you have no experience when talking about kids today.


What's obvious is you're thinking that your little stories and limited experience makes something true. Research disagrees with you.

I've taught school, raised kids and I can say that I saw some very gifted kids. However, the research makes my limited experience null.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84884 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:23 am to
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This is alarming to you? The leftwing/Commie/MSM pandering to the these SJWs? Sounds spot on to me.



Know this: He may be 17 but should be treated like an adult after entering the arena and becoming a prominent voice in what has become the biggest story of the year thus far.

But things have gone sideways since. Hogg has played loose with more than a few facts and has leveled the same kind of personal attacks on which he's basing this boycott. And, through it all, almost all anchors and reporters have allowed him to go unchallenged out of that same fear of being seen as monsters for going after "the kid with the just cause."

There are exceptions to those not willing to challenge Hogg, starting first and foremost with conservative writer/commentator and podcast/radio host Ben Shapiro. "I look forward to Hogg's apologies to Republicans ('sick f***ers'), Dana Loesch (she was 'hypocritical and disgusting' for criticizing Broward Sheriff Scott Israel), and Marco Rubio (he said Rubio was bribed by the NRA to give away children's lives)," Shapiro wrote in the online publication he founded, The Daily Wire.

"You may not like what Ingraham said. You may disagree with it. I did. But it isn't remotely CLOSE to the level of viciousness with which Hogg has attacked people who disagree with him," Shapiro added.

And Shapiro is correct. As is Parkland student Kyle Kashuv.

"The media took interest in him [Hogg] to push an agenda," Kushuv, a pro-Second Amendment student wrote in a series of tweets aimed at Hogg. "They've propped people up and have turned them into shields. I am not doubting anyone's sincerity, but people have certainly been hiding behind my classmates to push an agenda."

Hogg has rejected Ingraham's apology and says he will only accept such an overture if she denounces what he described as the network's attempt to "mudsling at children."


David Hogg
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@davidhogg111
I 100% agree an apology in an effort just to save your advertisers is not enough. I will only accept your apology only if you denounce the way your network has treated my friends and I in this fight. It’s time to love thy neighbor, not mudsling at children. LINK

2:06 PM - Mar 29, 2018 · Arlington, VA

If someone is offended by her program or her as a person, don't watch or listen and allow the free market eventually to decide if she's worth keeping on.

But the effort to silence a voice, to essentially end a career, based on something like this sets not only a dangerous but completely un-American precedent. LINK
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
101959 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:29 am to
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“It’s time to love thy neighbor, not mudsling at children.”


Love thy neighbor huh? From the guy calling people "sick frickers", throwing around accusations of bribery for contentment in the deaths of children and vilifying anyone who dares disagree with him?


But then he hides behind being a child to shield himself from criticism. When it comes to voting issues and advocacy, "my age doesn't matter, our voices are just as powerful!" But if anyone criticizes him its, "hey I'm a child, you can't say those things to me!"
Posted by Dignan
Member since Sep 2005
13265 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:31 am to
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I was married at 20, we both worked and went to school full time. Built my first house by 21. Didn't have children until I was 26.


I appreciate the honesty and props to you for building a steady homelife at an early age I'm not putting you down for that. I can only speak to the school system that I see working for my children. It's truly exceptional and does not jive AT ALL with what you say.

I've got to run. Have a good day, sincerely. And you have my apology for being such a dick about Alaska in the past. That was over the line and not cool.
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20557 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:35 am to
Only 6.5 years to go Toddy.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84884 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:35 am to
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I've got to run. Have a good day, sincerely. And you have my apology for being such a dick about Alaska in the past. That was over the line and not cool.

That's sig worthy Dig.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:41 am to
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I think you're taking an extreme view of this. I haven't followed everything that David Hogg has said, but I heard an interview this morning with him and he stated "We're not trying to take away anyone's guns, we simply want better background checks for people with a history of mental illness, which makes it tougher to acquire a gun" or something to that extent.

I don't see why this is an unreasonable viewpoint to have after several of your friends were mowed down by school gunmen.



I suggest you Google him and read some of his other comments. He accused Rubio of accepting money from the NRA in exchange for dead babies, for example. Would you be so understanding if a 17 year old said the same about a pro abortion Senator? I think you would not.

He's called ALL NRA members murderers, as well as insulted millions of other Americans. He isn't hated just because he wants tighter restrictions on certain things. He's said plenty of nasty things himself, things that if he were my 17 year old would have seen him getting his mouth washed out with soap.

He is NOT a reasonable polite person and chastizing Ingrahm, or anyone else, for responding in kind is just getting old.

This is actually yet another example of why the left TRULY hates Trump. It's not political, because actually politically there are a lot of issues that the left could work with Trump on, but the left is used to being as nasty as they want to be to the right without any blowback, and if they do get any they just scream back "misogynist" or "racist" or "white privelege" or in this case some BS about "picking on kids" and Trump dared to double down and say "frick you" to the left when they tried this with him, rather than issue an apology and go away like they were used to seeing Republicans do.

David Hogg, like many liberals , is a bully. Plain and simple. And as with most bullies, he doesn't like it when his targets fight back.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154736 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:51 am to
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I think his takedown of Laura Ingraham was fricking awesome. He cut her off at the knees with a single tweet.


I mean we all know you agree with him and his side. That's not surprising.
Posted by Dignan
Member since Sep 2005
13265 posts
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:24 pm to
Not many people have the stones to apologize on the board when they're over the line, but it was warranted.
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