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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 10/23/26 at 7:19 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 7:19 am to
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I can't find any reference to Chinese subsidies or rare earth metals in Frost's X page. Could you send us the link? Thanks.


Google is often wrong at least since 2011. Before it was great.

Some people actually know things and don't suck on Google's tit
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8893 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 7:26 am to
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Do you want a single private citizen, not even a native one, in control of such critical infrastructure and influencing our foreign policy?


Could we ever build something as good as SpaceX anymore? We've got a guy who was supposed to reign in the government starting a stupid war and becoming more senile by the day, and the other side is more worried about chopping genitals off kids and letting in infinity 70IQ "asylum seekers". This is not the same America that buckled down and won WW2 with its manufacturing prowess and military might. Our leaders are spineless cowards with no morals and their quality is only declining.

So we nationalize it. Where is the next Elon Musk going to build the next SpaceX at? It won't be here if we start nationalizing things because they work well.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8893 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 7:29 am to
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US govt really ought to nationalize it at this point. Regardless of your political leanings, you can’t just have one rich guy at the wheel determining your geopolitical situations


How about moral leanings? It's ok to take something because you need it and it works well?

What a business owner does with his business is his business. He isn't obligated to help our own military with it, much less Ukraine's. Yet he has done so and at great cost to this point.

It's appealing to me that such weak people wil throw away their morals, and really their entire worldview if they are remotely conservative at all, because someone SLOWED DOWN internet access that was being provided FOR FREE
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 7:37 am to
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Could we ever build something as good as SpaceX anymore?


More because that SpaceX is not bound by specs created by government. Government controlling means of production only makes production worse and more expensive
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 7:57 am to
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 8:32 am to
Unfortunately, as of today, nothing has changed. We continue to wait.
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Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 8:46 am to
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What a business owner does with his business is his business. He isn't obligated to help our own military with it, much less Ukraine's. Yet he has done so and at great cost to this point.


It’s not that simple, unfortunately. There are all kinds of rules and regulations forced on businesses by the government today.

Sure there are good reasons in s as lot of cases, but the notion that business owners can do as they please ended decades ago.

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It's appealing to me that such weak people wil throw away their morals, and really their entire worldview if they are remotely conservative at all, because someone SLOWED DOWN internet access that was being provided FOR FREE


This Starlink thing isn’t that simple. We don’t know all the facts, but if Musk suddenly turned it off with little or no notification, is that moral?

I like Musk and I like Trump and I hope that when it all comes out they just turned Starlink off without hardly any notice.

But I’ve been disappointed in Trump. He’s letting both Putin and Iran make him look bad. This Witkoff has to go.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 8:55 am to
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There are all kinds of rules and regulations forced on businesses by the government today.


What rules did Musk violate? You can link the US Code he violated.

Thank you
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43419 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 8:57 am to
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What rules did Musk violate? You can link the US Code he violated.


Defensive pass interference.

Hey numb nuts, I never said Musk broke any laws.

You are welcome
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8893 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 8:58 am to
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It’s not that simple, unfortunately. There are all kinds of rules and regulations forced on businesses by the government today.


I'm not saying we should completely deregulate industry. The discussion here is nationalization, taking over of a private company.

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This Starlink thing isn’t that simple. We don’t know all the facts, but if Musk suddenly turned it off with little or no notification, is that moral?


It's pretty clear he didn't just turn it off. It wasn't running as fast as Ukraine wanted it to.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41981 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 9:00 am to
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Hey numb nuts, I never said Musk broke any laws.


Ok good. I’m glad you know your place
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8893 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 9:00 am to
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What rules did Musk violate? You can link the US Code he violated.

Thank you


Some of these guys are never beating the Ukraine First allegations
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43419 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 9:11 am to
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I'm not saying we should completely deregulate industry. The discussion here is nationalization, taking over of a private company.


I’d be very reluctant to approve that. Are there in cases where FDR took over a company in WWII? I honestly don’t know.

I know companies changed their entire strategy to gear up for the war. Was all this voluntary? Did companies have to be “persuaded”?

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It's pretty clear he didn't just turn it off. It wasn't running as fast as Ukraine wanted it to.

Well slowing it down really impacted Ukraine’s defense. Was there any kind of warning?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43419 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 9:12 am to
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Some of these guys are never beating the Ukraine First allegations


And some people just make things up.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8893 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 9:20 am to
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I’d be very reluctant to approve that. Are there in cases where FDR took over a company in WWII? I honestly don’t know.

I know companies changed their entire strategy to gear up for the war. Was all this voluntary? Did companies have to be “persuaded”?


It was a mix of both

Here is a key distinction: we aren't at war with Russia. We haven't had an attack on US soil by a foreign country.

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Well slowing it down really impacted Ukraine’s defense. Was there any kind of warning?


What exactly does Elon Musk owe Ukraine, and where does that obligation end?

This is the gratitude issue that has me over this whole thing. No matter what we do it's literally never enough.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8893 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 9:21 am to
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And some people just make things up.


Who has made anything up here? You have people wanting to nationalize the most promising US based company in decades because it maybe might help a foreign country more than it already has. It's pathetic of these supposed Americans, honestly.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
6130 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 9:29 am to
Well slowing it down really impacted Ukraine’s defense. Was there any kind of warning?

No warning. Ukraine lost a lot of drones when communication unexpectedly dropped due to exceeding the speed cap.

It's been going on for over a week. Musk and Trump both have blood on their hands.
This post was edited on 10/23/26 at 9:40 am
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41981 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 9:46 am to
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Musk and Trump both have blood on their hands.


Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
5913 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 9:54 am to
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I can't find any reference to Chinese subsidies or rare earth metals in Frost's X page. Could you send us the link? Thanks.

Google is often wrong at least since 2011. Before it was great.

Some people actually know things and don't suck on Google's tit

Ok, so she actually never commented on Chinese subsidies nor rare earth metals. You just pulled it out of your arse because you feel threatened by intelligent women.

Dropping comments like, "Frost is just another far leftist 'tard" is a big tell.

Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
5913 posts
Posted on 10/23/26 at 10:03 am to
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What rules did Musk violate? You can link the US Code he violated.
18 U.S. Code § 1111

You're welcome.
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