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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:37 pm to Penrod
Posted on 5/26/26 at 4:37 pm to Penrod
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Nope. The brainwashing was mainly one sided. Vladimir Vladimirovich spent 20 years drinking his own Kool aid about how strong Russia was.
But you didn’t say anything about brainwashing.
Yes I did. Vladimir Vladimirovich spent 20 years drinking his own Kool Aid and therefore brainwashed himself and the Russian people.
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We had an entire agency devoted to brainwashing citizens of other countries so that we could influence their elections. It was USAID. It got its start brainwashing Italians, and its swan song was brainwashing Ukrainians. Russia was trying to do the same thing.
USAID might have been trying to brainwash people in Ukraine but it did not succeed. The desire from Ukrainians to be more European and less Russian is real.
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In fact, the Russians flipped the Ukrainian government before we flipped it again.
If by flipped you mean cheated by having a suspiciously high number of people turn out to vote in Crimea and eastern Ukraine and then having the opponent jailed when she challenged the results in court then you are correct.
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Posted on 5/26/26 at 6:27 pm to cypher
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The main feature of the Hornet UAV is its high autonomy with target detection and capture algorithms, as well as visual navigation, for which a camera looking down is needed. This allows it to be independent of satellite navigation. That is why this drone does not have a multi-element anti-jamming GPS system
Cell phone processors are powerful enough to run terrain mapping navigation, image recognition and limited AI like instructions. That future is here and now.
Posted on 5/26/26 at 6:31 pm to WeeWee
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But you didn’t say anything about brainwashing.
Yes I did. Vladimir Vladimirovich spent 20 years drinking his own Kool Aid and therefore brainwashed himself
Oh, Okay. He “brainwashed himself”. I’ll just let that sink on its own.
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USAID might have been trying to brainwash people in Ukraine but it did not succeed. The desire from Ukrainians to be more European and less Russian is real.
No doubt about this. I’ve spent some time in that area - not Ukraine, but Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakstan - and most of the people want a western facing society. Still, USAID ran a brainwashing operation there. You say it didn’t succeed, but you (or I) have no idea whether that’s true.
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If by flipped you mean cheated by having a suspiciously high number of people turn out to vote in Crimea and eastern Ukraine and then having the opponent jailed when she challenged the results in court then you are correct.
I mean that, and I mean that they ran a propaganda campaign to get people to vote differently. There is a substantial percentage of the people who prefer Russia to Europe. And there were fence-sitters.
Posted on 5/26/26 at 6:34 pm to Lee B
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uninformed or delusional
Actually just mistaken.
Posted on 5/26/26 at 6:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Who are the people that you think have always had everything right about this conflict?
Who are the sources beside ISW that people treat like gospel?
Posted on 5/26/26 at 6:47 pm to Penrod
Question. Call it brainwashing, propaganda, or whatever. What is wrong with selling the US on the world stage to other nations and peoples?
Posted on 5/26/26 at 6:54 pm to doubleb
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Question. Call it brainwashing, propaganda, or whatever. What is wrong with selling the US on the world stage to other nations and peoples?
That’s a good question. There was nothing wrong with it, and I supported that project for most of my life. But when it went woke, it was no longer a force for good, imo. We were pushing BLM and tranny stuff on innocent populations.
Frankly, I’d prefer eastern Europe in the thrall of fascism than woke one-worldism.
Posted on 5/26/26 at 7:00 pm to Penrod
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That’s a good question. There was nothing wrong with it, and I supported that project for most of my life. But when it went woke, it was no longer a force for good, imo. We were pushing BLM and tranny stuff on innocent populations.
I agree.
Posted on 5/26/26 at 7:19 pm to Penrod
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No doubt about this. I’ve spent some time in that area - not Ukraine, but Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakstan - and most of the people want a western facing society. Still, USAID ran a brainwashing operation there. You say it didn’t succeed, but you (or I) have no idea whether that’s true.
I have my sauces in Ukraine. Some of which probably took money from USAID. They laugh when everyone says that the US was behind the Maiden revolution. The US didn’t get in on it until the very end. The EU maybe but not the USA.
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I mean that, and I mean that they ran a propaganda campaign to get people to vote differently. There is a substantial percentage of the people who prefer Russia to Europe.
Those people were in Crimea and eastern Ukraine. Which is why Ukraine and Russia should have reached an agreement to have Russia purchase Crimea and the LPR and DPR back in 2014. I realize that neither side would ever agree to that solution but it would have been the cleanest solution.
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And there were fence-sitters.
In 2010? Yes. In 2014 after the shooting started? Not really.
Posted on 5/26/26 at 7:20 pm to Penrod
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Frankly, I’d prefer eastern Europe in the thrall of fascism than woke one-worldism.
I was in Poland last year and it was wonderful.
Posted on 5/26/26 at 7:56 pm to doubleb
Rusdia gonna use Belarus to get st the Ukrainian rear? Something to watch.
ISW
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Key Takeaways
Russia and Belarus appear to be setting conditions to justify Russia launching drone strikes at Ukraine from Belarus.
Some Russian officials appear to be walking back recent Russian threats to systematically strike Kyiv City.
Ukraine’s long-range drone strike campaign is forcing Russian authorities to restrict the use of airspace in the Moscow air zone.
Russian authorities closed the Kaliningrad airport due to a reported drone threat for the first time.
Ukrainian forces advanced in the Slovyansk direction and in western Zaporizhia Oblast.
Russian forces launched 2 ballistic missiles and 122 drones toward Ukraine overnight.
ISW
Posted on 5/26/26 at 8:10 pm to Penrod
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Frankly, I’d prefer eastern Europe in the thrall of fascism than woke one-worldism.
Let's party like it's 1939.
Posted on 5/26/26 at 8:28 pm to doubleb
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Question. Call it brainwashing, propaganda, or whatever. What is wrong with selling the US on the world stage to other nations and peoples?
Two arguments here and both are at least somewhat correct.
1. It's not our place to interfere in other nations and push certain narratives, real or not. Even light influence from a large country such as the US interferes with a country's self determination.
2. Other countries will do it whether we do or not, and we are (generally) a force for global good, so we should try to counter countries who are not a force for global good.
Posted on 5/26/26 at 8:42 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 5/26/26 at 10:34 pm to Bunk Moreland
Medvedev lost in the first round of the French Open, …who cares what he says….?
Posted on 5/26/26 at 10:39 pm to doubleb
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Russia and Belarus appear to be setting conditions to justify Russia launching drone strikes at Ukraine from Belarus.
I can’t fathom Belarus straddling the sideline of this conflict for this long, seeing Ukraine’s newfound long range bombing capabilities, and deciding now is the time to join the fray.
Lukashenko isn’t going to successfully waive the bloody flag with his people if things in Minsk start going boom. I think that would backfire on him bigly.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:08 am to ned nederlander
Russia’s Nuclear Shadow over Europe: Belarus as the Kremlin’s Forward Nuclear Platform LINK
Posted on 5/27/26 at 6:56 am to WeeWee
I’ll buy all of that. I can see USAID (or any US government spending) being mainly pissed away or stolen. And your sources in Ukraine sound a lot like the people I’ve met and known in three other neighboring former Soviet republics. Further, it does make a lot of sense, from an ethnic viewpoint, to have drawn those boundaries differently, but Gorbachev et al were overwhelmed with the magnitude of that project and they were thrilled just to get the nukes, I guess.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 7:07 am to Tigris
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Frankly, I’d prefer eastern Europe in the thrall of fascism than woke one-worldism.
Let's party like it's 1939.
The situation hardly looks like 1939. Back then we were choosing among fascism, communism and democratic-capitalism. And on the European mainland democratic-capitalism was not much on the menu. And now we have the repulsive woke globalism holding sway over the one formerly desirable alternative.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 7:17 am to FlyDownTheField83
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Medvedev lost in the first round of the French Open, …who cares what he says….?
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