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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 12/30/25 at 8:35 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 8:35 am to
Horses/donkeys are better than nothing and if that’s all you have left to supply your army, I would say you are in trouble.

When the war started and the initial Russian blitz was thwarted, all we heard was Russia was going to outgun the Ukrainians. They had more men and more artillery pieces, and a huge advantage in shells.

Now Russia is reduced to donkeys, we seldom hear about shells and when Russia crosses the street into another block of a small town some trumpet that fact as if it’s a breakthrough.

The fact is neither side is gaining much of an advantage right now. Russia is slowly walking towards the West, but at a very high cost in human life and treasure. Even donkeys have to be fed.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 8:40 am to
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Zero possibility that donkeys can keep even a platoon supplied with sufficient ammo, food and water


Yeah obviously that is not an ideal use.

But what I'm saying is in a situation where you need to get a piece of equipment somewhere, maybe over rough terrain that is covered by drones, there could be a use case in specific situations. Losing a donkey they are probably more likely to eat than feed is a lot cheaper than losing a vehicle doing the same job.

Plus the simple economics of it are that a donkey is cheaper than the drone you'd use to kill it. And you'd much rather be blowing up something else with that drone.

Now widespread use, and using them in the example you laid out, is obviously inefficient. But we haven't seen any evidence of them using hundreds or thousands of donkeys or even horses to this point.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 8:55 am to
Still not enough to keep an army supplied sufficiently. We've noticed how they till use manhandled crates not even on pallets. The US was using pallets in WWII.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:00 am to
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Still not enough to keep an army supplied sufficiently.


No one is arguing for them as a main supply mechanism and they aren't being used as such anyway.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:00 am to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:10 am to
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“What we're still seeing today is that Russia currently has no intention of attacking any of the Baltic states or NATO more broadly.


That’s no surprise. They can’t vanquish Ukraine.

Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:15 am to
I am talking to the actual frontline troops. They need trainloads to get it near the front. It's like digging the Panama Canal with shovels. One donkey can keep 3 Russian soldiers supplied for a day.
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 9:20 am
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:50 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:06 am to
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:54 am to
Most curious that Russia says that Ukraine tried to strike one of Putin's residences while Zelensky was meeting with Trump, but all 91 drones were shot down. Lavrov said so.

Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:56 am to
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'mon, man. Even mentioning 5-1 is ridiculous. I would say that it's something like 3-2.


Here ya go, big guy here's the source, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, but hey, do your best to trash more experts:

Russia's Battlefied Woes

And here's a Pulitzer Prize Winning journalist quoting a report to the US CONGRESS that it could be as high as 6.5 to 1:

Report Given to US Congress on Russian Casualties

Also, here's another one, but admittedly this one is a bit dated:

Estimating Troop Losses on Both Sides

So there's three, but again, you'll lie and say that I can't provide a source.

Jesus I need to stop debating morons on the internet....
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:57 am to
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Most curious that Russia says that Ukraine tried to strike one of Putin's residences while Zelensky was meeting with Trump, but all 91 drones were shot down. Lavrov said so.



And so far there has been no physical evidence provided. In fact, the Russian government said they didn't feel that they needed to provide any
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:06 am to
And I could give you dozens of actual body exchanges that have hundreds of Ukrainians for a couple dozen Russians.

Lots of sources on both sides have all kinds of numbers on what it *could be*. What do you think it actually *is*? I think it's probably around 3-3.5 Russians to 2 Ukranians.

Even a source you linked was speculating...

quote:

And here's a Pulitzer Prize Winning journalist quoting a report to the US CONGRESS that it could be as high as 6.5 to 1:


Even GOP thinks your number was bullshite. If this war were going the way you think it's going it would have been over in 2023, Putin would have been strung up in the street and Zelensky would be at one of his vineyards already.

And I said you *didn't* provide a source, not that you *can't*. Maybe try to be more precise with your language, and with reading the language of other posters (an issue you've had several times recently) and from the sources you read going forward.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:37 am to
Excellent, Thxs for sharing.

Btw, it’s Whataburger day.
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 12:12 pm
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 12:23 pm to
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Btw, it’s Whataburger day.


Chipotle day here
Posted by T1gerNate
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 12:24 pm to
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it’s Whataburger day


How big a baw are you son?
Posted by T1gerNate
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 12:26 pm to
ISW reporting Ukrainian counteroffensive in eastern Zapo


Rybar reporting it failed and Ukrops were captured


I guess we will know what is going on there in a couple of days.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 12:41 pm to
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How big a baw are you son?


Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 1:01 pm to
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How big a baw are you son?


5’-4” tall 342 pounds
Why do you ask?
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 1:24 pm to
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5’-4” tall 342 pounds




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