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Last night and what it means going forward
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:27 am
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:27 am
Last night Doug Jones emerged from his home to see his shadow. This means we expect at least two more years of sexual harassment allegations (this was a trial run at how to go after Trump in 2020). It's no coincidence this is going on right now.
What this also means is that the GOP can afford only one defection in the Senate. McCain now becomes one of the biggest power-players in DC.
By extension this means the GOP has to stop trying to be a bunch of leaders trying to all get their own way regardless of (or at times in spite of) each other. They need to caucus and come up with an actual plan (like the Contract With America) and STICK TO IT.
The only bright spot in all of this for the GOP is that if the Democrats really do go full-force into trying to find and then advertising sexual harassment claims as part of their political "strategery", it could well backfire on them in a very "yuge" manner (as we've already seen for lots of donors among the Hollywood elite as well as a couple of Democrat members of Congress).
Democrats, you won this race but the manner in which you did it may well have opened a Pandora's Box that comes back to haunt you. #BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor
What this also means is that the GOP can afford only one defection in the Senate. McCain now becomes one of the biggest power-players in DC.
By extension this means the GOP has to stop trying to be a bunch of leaders trying to all get their own way regardless of (or at times in spite of) each other. They need to caucus and come up with an actual plan (like the Contract With America) and STICK TO IT.
The only bright spot in all of this for the GOP is that if the Democrats really do go full-force into trying to find and then advertising sexual harassment claims as part of their political "strategery", it could well backfire on them in a very "yuge" manner (as we've already seen for lots of donors among the Hollywood elite as well as a couple of Democrat members of Congress).
Democrats, you won this race but the manner in which you did it may well have opened a Pandora's Box that comes back to haunt you. #BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:28 am to Bard
Lol the Dems won brother. Every conservative on here is trying to spin it as not a loss.
Accept it and move on
Accept it and move on
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:30 am to SulphursFinest
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Accept it and move on
Not difficult to do. I'm not sure why people are making such a big deal about it.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:32 am to Bard
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By extension this means the GOP has to stop trying to be a bunch of leaders trying to all get their own way regardless of (or at times in spite of) each other. They need to caucus and come up with an actual plan (like the Contract With America) and STICK TO IT.
They've been given a mandate two elections in a row - an Obama repudiation in 2014 and a red wave in 2016. They straight up squandered 2014-2016, claiming they needed control of both houses, which they were given in 2016. And still the majority red Congress has largely done nothing. Clearly this election was due to a terrible candidate more than anything, but this should still be an enormous wake-up call to Republicans.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:33 am to LSU Patrick
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I'm not sure why people are making such a big deal about it.
Because people made a big deal about this election. Getting on board with filth like Moore for the sole reason of watching him piss off the left was the theme here heading into the vote. Now it's like "naw dawg, it's good".
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:33 am to SulphursFinest
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:34 am to Bard
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what it means going forward
IF the Reps want to be more successful they need to learn how to wrestle in the mud better
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:35 am to SirWinston
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Lori Pitts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:35 am to SulphursFinest
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Lol the Dems won brother. Every conservative on here is trying to spin it as not a loss.
Accept it and move on
Maybe you didn't really read my post?
The Democrats won, life goes on. The bigger point is that they believe their "charge them with sexual misconduct of some sort" philosophy is the key to winning elections now so instead of all the #MeToo stories dying down, they're just going to get ramped up, very possibly to the detriment of the Democrat party if recent history in that issue is any indication.
Instead of moving back to arguing how their ideas are better as a way of winning elections they're going to double-down on the identity politics that have cost them far more elections than they've won.
tl;dr - their tactic won them a battle but may well lose them the war.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:41 am to jdd48
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They've been given a mandate two elections in a row - an Obama repudiation in 2014 and a red wave in 2016. They straight up squandered 2014-2016, claiming they needed control of both houses, which they were given in 2016. And still the majority red Congress has largely done nothing. Clearly this election was due to a terrible candidate more than anything, but this should still be an enormous wake-up call to Republicans.
1. Thanks for engaging in an actual discussion
2. You're exactly right. The biggest problem I see are that moderates in the Senate like Susan Collins and John McCain now have far more stroke to throw any attempts at progress or reforms into disarray. The Senate GOP is going to have to walk a very tight rope to get anything meaningful passed (looking at you, tax bill) because the moderates are going to want the moon and stars for their votes (especially McCain).
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:46 am to SirWinston
Paging Fox Mulder...
The signal is shining, brother.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:48 am to Bard
Lori isn't crazy. The pendulum is swinging bigly. I still think the GOP should add to its Senate majority in 2018 simply because of the landscape of the seats up for grabs... but the House could be tricky as hell.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:51 am to Bard
It means you better run a candidate that the base will get behind. Roy Moore would have one if he wasnt viewed as an a-hole. But he would have won by less than he should have.
The Democrats are getting their base out. When the GOP candidate is unappealing, they will lose.
The Democrats are getting their base out. When the GOP candidate is unappealing, they will lose.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:52 am to SirWinston
Dems winning at any costs. lol.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:55 am to Bard
quote:The democrats won because they put Moore in a corner where he talked about abortion, God, and the ten Commandments. The part of the GOP that is drawn to that talk is not large enough to win a statewide election. IF he talks about jobs, infrastructure, immigration, national defense, and economic development he can get folks out for him. He did not do that. In part it was because the allegations took their toll, but the largest reason was he was trying to be flamboyant versus substantive.
he Democrats won, life goes on. The bigger point is that they believe their "charge them with sexual misconduct of some sort" philosophy is the key to winning elections now so instead of all the #MeToo stories dying down, they're just going to get ramped up, very possibly to the detriment of the Democrat party if recent history in that issue is any indication.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:57 am to tigerfoot
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The Democrats are getting their base out.
This was really the key. Jones won the metropolitan areas by having the DNC going full bore canvassing. They can't do that in every large city in every state for every election.
Dems came out to vote because the national party put everything into it while Republicans stayed home because their candidate had the warmth and charisma of a vending machine, it's not much more complicated than that.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 8:59 am
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:02 am to LSU Patrick
The reason that this is a big deal is that the Senate is now 51-49. That means that McCain, Coker, and Collins have Trump’s entire 2018 agenda by the balls. Secondly, it is the second contested race in a row (VA), that Trump campaigned for the loser. Regardless of circumstances, this is the first Dem Senator in a generation that has won in Alabama.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:08 am to Bard
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This was really the key. Jones won the metropolitan areas by having the DNC going full bore canvassing. They can't do that in every large city in every state for every election.
I'm not sure about that. Social media. They can find engaged activists who are college students, paid by Soros, etc. They can definitely take last night and replicate it.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:15 am to SirWinston
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I'm not sure about that. Social media. They can find engaged activists who are college students, paid by Soros, etc. They can definitely take last night and replicate it.
For a single election, sure. The problem for the Democrats is going to be replicating this for dozens (if not hundreds) of elections in 2020. When you've got only one battlefront, it's easy to put all your focus on it, you can't put that same focus on a bazillion different fronts at the same time though.
The GOP can't rest on its laurels though, but this vote was far from a referendum on anything other than Moore being a poor candidate.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 9:15 am
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:18 am to SulphursFinest
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Every conservative on here is trying to spin it as not a loss.
Um, no.
It is a loss, the question is what it means.
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