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re: LA officials OK new charter 4 dyslexic students in Jefferson Parish despite some concerns
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:40 pm to David_DJS
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:40 pm to David_DJS
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Did you read the link? It's not all the evidence, but it's a pretty good piece.
Not discounting academic gains, but there are documented cases of charter school fraud in AZ, too.
From 2016 to 2018, Bradley Academy of Excellence, a now-defunct charter school in Goodyear, Arizona, engaged in an enrollment fraud scheme that netted the school $2.5 million in fraudulent state and federal funding. School officials fabricated "ghost students" to inflate enrollment numbers, which secured funding that the school was not entitled to.
Bradley Academy closes after the owners steal millions… while the Charter Board stood Idly by.
In February 2021, Incito Schools and its two co-founders in Goodyear, Arizona, were indicted by a state grand jury for a fraud and theft scheme. The defendants were accused of stealing more than $567,000 in taxpayer money from the Maricopa County Superintendent's Office between 2016 and 2017.
Charter School and Two Co-Founders Indicted for Fraud, Theft
A married couple running East Valley charter schools agreed to repay $180,000 after admitting using school funds for personal expenses, including sports tickets and personal care.
Arizona charter school operators agree to pay back $180K spent on sports tickets, personal care
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:41 pm to 4cubbies
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Teachers know more about teaching than a surgeon would
Looking at tUSA's education scores, we rate this statement as false.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:41 pm to the808bass
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I don’t know what you think you’re saying by saying “there’s fraud in charter schools.”
I'm saying there's fraud in charter schools.
Are you saying charter school fraud is acceptable because fraud exists in some traditional school districts, too?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:42 pm to UtahCajun
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Looking at tUSA's education scores, we rate this statement as false.
How did the students taught by surgeons compare?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:44 pm to 4cubbies
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How did the students taught by surgeons compare?
Considering almost anybody compares favorably against public school teachers, I would say there is a good chance they did no worse.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:44 pm to TigerAllNightLong
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Nothing can change the fact that government run school systems have destroyed generations of children.
How would a public school have more influence over a child than his/her own family? IT's almost as if you're saying government schools are responsible for every aspect of raising children.
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You can point and yell at something else but that fact never changes.
Not pointing or yelling, but noted.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:45 pm to 4cubbies
So, these two dyslexics walk into a bra...
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:48 pm to 4cubbies
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Not discounting academic gains, but there are documented cases of charter school fraud in AZ, too.
And? What does this matter? My local district (Gilbert, AZ) had to fire its superintendent over travel to Hawaii with a boyfriend (she's married).
We're talking academic progress and the cost of it. Charters are demonstrably better than public schools.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:48 pm to UtahCajun
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Considering almost anybody compares favorably against public school teachers, I would say there is a good chance they did no worse.
I started to type a thoughtful reply, but you post exclusively based on your feelings so its not worth my time. You feel like every teacher doesn't know how anything about teaching and you feel like a surgeon knows how to teach kids how to read and apparently you feel like surgeons have even been assessed on their teaching abilities.
Not even worth a response. Your feelings are valid, bud. Let them guide you.
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:54 pm to David_DJS
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Charters are demonstrably better than public schools.
Charter Schools After Three Decades: Reviewing the Research on School Organizational and Instructional Conditions
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Overall, reviews show that charter schools have inconsistent effects on student achievement scores
It would make sense that charter schools would accept higher performing students, leaving the lower performing students at traditional schools. Charter schools have the ability to select their students, unlike traditional schools. There are many factors at play.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:00 pm to 4cubbies
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What do you think state assessments are measuring if not academic achievement?
Academic mastery, not academic achievement or academic progress.
If I take 5 students who test in the top ten percentile and place them in school A and after one year they place in the top twentieth percentile, then I take another five students who place in the bottom ten percentile and after a year they move up to the bottom twentieth percentile, the first group still has a higher academic mastery but the second group has a higher academic progress.
This isn’t very complicated.
Key Academy students, because of severe dyslexia, start at the very bottom compared to their peer groups. The school does a fairly good job of making academic progress but it will never get to the point of the majority of its students reaching mastery in most academic fields.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:03 pm to 4cubbies
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, but you post exclusively based on your feelings so its not worth my time
Nope. I do not. I have zero feelings for someone with zero worth.
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You feel like every teacher doesn't know how anything about teaching
Data on public schooling is the data on public schooling. It don't lie.
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surgeons have even been assessed on their teaching abilities
Give 'em a chance. They couldn't do any worse.
And they have value
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:04 pm to 4cubbies
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How would a public school have more influence over a child than his/her own family? IT's almost as if you're saying government schools are responsible for every aspect of raising children.
More distraction.
So what “position” do you hold in the government payroll factory?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:05 pm to 4cubbies
Just wondering how we have SO many dyslexic children that they need entire schools for them?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:07 pm to yakster
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Just wondering how we have SO many dyslexic children that they need entire schools for them?
I’m pretty sure Key Academy’s entire Baton Rouge enrollment was around 100 kids. That’s probably not even close to the number of BR students whose dyslexia is substantial enough to need a school like that.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:25 pm to Antonio Moss
You are talking about measuring growth. LA already do that to some extent and now growth will be an even bigger part of the evaluations schools get.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:28 pm to Antonio Moss
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Key Academy students, because of severe dyslexia, start at the very bottom compared to their peer groups. The school does a fairly good job of making academic progress but it will never get to the point of the majority of its students reaching mastery in most academic fields.
This could be true but the same grace is not extended to students with dyslexia at traditional public schools.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:34 pm to 4cubbies
You’re talking about charters cherry picking the best students in a thread about a charter which intentionally enrolls kids with severe learning disabilities.
If you attribute the former’s success to the students why do you still claim the latter is a failure due to those subpar students?
If you attribute the former’s success to the students why do you still claim the latter is a failure due to those subpar students?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:36 pm to 4cubbies
quote:More influence is not the issue. Influence is the issue. School has gargantuan influence over a child.
How would a public school have more influence over a child than his/her own family?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:37 pm to 4cubbies
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If the charter movement is often promoted as a way to regain local control of a school - what are your thoughts on this charter network circumventing the local school board's decision to get approval?
Because most local school boards are complete shite. Why do you think local control means local school board? How much experience do you have with charter schools? I'm guessing not much
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