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re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial - Day 4 (made the thread title more accurate)

Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:38 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:38 pm to
Can he entertain a motion to dismiss? Or are they too far gone for that?

I'd almost rather an acquittal at this point, if I was Rittenhouse, but 0 risk is better than any risk.
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 2:38 pm
Posted by Good Times
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:39 pm to
Was Drew trying to change his name to Jacob Blake, since that name was now available?
Posted by LockeNLoad
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:40 pm to
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Can he entertain a motion to dismiss?
Sure, the State can dismiss the case if the prosecutor wants to stop embarrassing himself.

Locke
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:45 pm to
Case should be dismissed. After seeing the video the FBI was sitting on this kid should have never been charged.
Posted by boudinman
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:48 pm to
From whom? DA's and their office have immunity from lawsuits.
Posted by LockeNLoad
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:51 pm to
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Kyle about to get paid Sandmann style
From whom? DA's and their office have immunity from lawsuits.
And "on what legal theory" ... what tort?

This kid got put through the wringer, and that should not have happened. But he has no justiciable civil case against anyone in state or local government.
Posted by teke184
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:51 pm to
The DA in North Carolina who pushed the Duke rape case had his immunity pierced because of how he handled matters.
Posted by Badface
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:54 pm to
this is probably a dumb question, but will Kyle be taking the stand and testifying?
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:54 pm to
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Technically, he masturbated before the zoom call and was caught cleaning up on the call, but I'm splitting hairs here.


So was Toobin!
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:57 pm to
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This kid got put through the wringer, and that should not have happened. But he has no justiciable civil case against anyone in state or local government.



He could sue Kenosha and the DA. Remember Nifong?
Posted by BigDawg0420
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:57 pm to
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this is probably a dumb question, but will Kyle be taking the stand and testifying?



Not a chance
Posted by udtiger
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 2:58 pm to
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And "on what legal theory" ... what tort?

This kid got put through the wringer, and that should not have happened. But he has no justiciable civil case against anyone in state or local government


malicious prosecution
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:00 pm to
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The DA in North Carolina who pushed the Duke rape case had his immunity pierced because of how he handled matters.



Nifong ended up being disbarred and spent a night in jail for contempt. I don't know where the idea that the DA is untouchable came from
Posted by LockeNLoad
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:05 pm to
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He could sue Kenosha and the DA. Remember Nifong?
Nifong lost absolute immunity because he engaged in a whole HOST of extrajudicial activities, taking advantage of the case for personal gain ... including his political race.

I've not seen anything of the sort in this case.

But that point is mostly for Boudin. I was more addressing the substantive nature of the tort, as opposed to the immunity issue.

Locke
Posted by LockeNLoad
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:08 pm to
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malicious prosecution
Zero chance of success
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Under Wisconsin law plaintiff Kaminske's claim for the tort of malicious prosecution requires six elements: (1) a prior institution or continuation of judicial proceedings against Kaminske; (2) the former proceedings were "by, or at the instance of," WCL; (3) the prior proceedings terminated in Kaminske's favor; (4) malice on the part of WCL in instituting the former proceedings; (5) a want of probable cause for the institution of the former proceedings; and (6) injury or damage resulting to Kaminske from the former proceedings. Strid v. Converse, 111 Wis.2d 418, 423, 331 N.W.2d 350 (1983).
This case does not give rise to even a good faith argument that there was no probable cause for the primary charges. Like it or not, Rittenhouse killed two people. The prosecution proved the elements of its case before this trial ever started. In essence, defense counsel admitted this in his opening statement.

This entire trial is about Rittenhouse’s affirmative defense, which DOES have merit. But failure to exercise prosecutorial discretion and to elect not prosecute based upon an affirmative defense (no matter how meritorious) is never going to give rise to a malicious prosecution case, because the failure to exercise prosecutorial discretion is not remotely the same thing as “lack of probable cause“ on the underlying crime. It is not even an element of the tort.

Locke
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8080 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:08 pm to
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Why the hell is a judge concerned about the press? Make your rulings and if there is a problem the courts of appeal will sort it out.


Because the judicial process is not supposed to be interfered with or influenced by the corrupt press.

This is a very simple self defense case that is purposefully being turned into a political witch hunt.

This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:08 pm to
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Fox is running 24-7 saying the kid is being railroaded. That will potentially affect the jury too.


I’ve been watching Fox non stop since yesterday and they have barely mentioned it.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71338 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:13 pm to
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I’m sure the judge is more than willing to give him a verbal smack down on Court TV.


judges are also more than willing to sanction an attorney and/or hold them in contempt. As an officer of the Court, the attorney should know that even if you don't agree with a judge's ruling, you're expected to say "yes sir" and move on. Pissing off a judge and then still persisting with the same nonsense is the exact opposite way for any attorney to conduct himself in court
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71338 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:14 pm to
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Any chance this DA was forced to bring charges by someone behind the scenes

The ADA prosecuting the case has no control over whether to prosecute a high profile case. The elected District Attorney makes that decision, and the ADA assigned to try it does what he's told.
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I honestly can't think of anything else for his strategy here


desperation
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 3:25 pm
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
38585 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 3:16 pm to
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this was after the scumbag prosecutor was trying to keep rosenbaum's actions that night from being admitted as evidence.


Seems pretty crucial to know what the dead person was doing in a “self defense or murder” conversation
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