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Kochs to Financially Back Democrats Pushing Amnesty, Free Trade
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:09 am
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:09 am
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"Lee Iacocca is gone, guys."
- Steve Deace
It appears as if a permanent divorce between the forces at work in corporate America / big business and those trying to preserve America as a nation is impending.
"The Koch effort to financially support pro-amnesty, anti-economic nationalist Democrats would come to fruition through the creation of multiple issue-specific Political Action Committees (PACs), all under the larger Koch network umbrella.
Support for free trade absolutism, amnesty for illegal aliens, and an anti-economic nationalist voting record are basic requirements for Democrats and Republicans who want financial support from the Koch brothers, as outlined in AFP’s memo:
Four new issue specific Political Action Committees (PACs) will be created to make contributions directly to candidates. We know that candidates will seldom agree with Americans for Prosperity on every issue. But for those who do the politically difficult job of leading on a critical issue, these issue specific PACs will make it clear why millions of Americans support them on that issue, even if they have principled disagreements on others. The PACs, which will launch in the coming weeks as new entities working with our broader community, are: Uniting for Economic Opportunity, Uniting for Free Expression, Uniting for Free Trade, and Uniting for Immigration Reform. [Emphasis added]
The initiative is set to put the Koch brothers’ network of donor class organizations in line with Democrats such as Joe Biden — who has backed amnesty for all illegal aliens and continues to support the NAFTA free trade deal that eliminated nearly five million American jobs — and Republicans such as Justin Amash who opposes the use of tariffs and has previously suggested support for an amnesty for illegal aliens shielded from deportation by President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.
...The nation’s Washington, DC-imposed mass legal and illegal immigration policy — whereby at least 1.5 million unskilled foreign nationals are admitted to the U.S. every year — is a boon to corporate executives, Wall Street, big business, and multinational conglomerates, as America’s working and middle class have their wealth redistributed to the country’s top earners through wage stagnation.
Research by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine has discovered that immigration to the country shifts about $500 billion in wages away from working and middle-class Americans toward new arrivals and economic elites.
Meanwhile, decades of free trade has spurred mass layoffs, unemployment, and offshoring of high-paying American jobs while surging trade deficits. Since China entered the World Trade Organization (WTO), the U.S. trade deficit with China has eliminated at least 3.5 million American jobs from the American economy."
"Lee Iacocca is gone, guys."
- Steve Deace
It appears as if a permanent divorce between the forces at work in corporate America / big business and those trying to preserve America as a nation is impending.
"The Koch effort to financially support pro-amnesty, anti-economic nationalist Democrats would come to fruition through the creation of multiple issue-specific Political Action Committees (PACs), all under the larger Koch network umbrella.
Support for free trade absolutism, amnesty for illegal aliens, and an anti-economic nationalist voting record are basic requirements for Democrats and Republicans who want financial support from the Koch brothers, as outlined in AFP’s memo:
Four new issue specific Political Action Committees (PACs) will be created to make contributions directly to candidates. We know that candidates will seldom agree with Americans for Prosperity on every issue. But for those who do the politically difficult job of leading on a critical issue, these issue specific PACs will make it clear why millions of Americans support them on that issue, even if they have principled disagreements on others. The PACs, which will launch in the coming weeks as new entities working with our broader community, are: Uniting for Economic Opportunity, Uniting for Free Expression, Uniting for Free Trade, and Uniting for Immigration Reform. [Emphasis added]
The initiative is set to put the Koch brothers’ network of donor class organizations in line with Democrats such as Joe Biden — who has backed amnesty for all illegal aliens and continues to support the NAFTA free trade deal that eliminated nearly five million American jobs — and Republicans such as Justin Amash who opposes the use of tariffs and has previously suggested support for an amnesty for illegal aliens shielded from deportation by President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.
...The nation’s Washington, DC-imposed mass legal and illegal immigration policy — whereby at least 1.5 million unskilled foreign nationals are admitted to the U.S. every year — is a boon to corporate executives, Wall Street, big business, and multinational conglomerates, as America’s working and middle class have their wealth redistributed to the country’s top earners through wage stagnation.
Research by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine has discovered that immigration to the country shifts about $500 billion in wages away from working and middle-class Americans toward new arrivals and economic elites.
Meanwhile, decades of free trade has spurred mass layoffs, unemployment, and offshoring of high-paying American jobs while surging trade deficits. Since China entered the World Trade Organization (WTO), the U.S. trade deficit with China has eliminated at least 3.5 million American jobs from the American economy."
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:10 am to Boatshoes
this is going to affect some NPC comments about the Kochs
and irrational hatred is surely expected on the NPC-Trumpkins, front
Koch brothers master race just laughing it up watching NPC heads on every side explode today
and irrational hatred is surely expected on the NPC-Trumpkins, front
Koch brothers master race just laughing it up watching NPC heads on every side explode today
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:15 am to tide06
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The Paul Ryan RINO RNC was for all of this behind closed doors all along. Trump just opened the curtains for everyone to see.
Agreed. However we do have some NPCs on the conservative side here who reflexively take the "government bad, corporation good" position on a lot of things.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:16 am to Boatshoes
If anyone is free trade and anti tariff they will
Probably get my vote. No matter party. Unfortunately I don’t see any of those running including our president
Probably get my vote. No matter party. Unfortunately I don’t see any of those running including our president
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:16 am to tide06
there is nothing "RINO" about free trade. it's been a hallmark of conservatism for decades
Trump is not a conservative. he's essentially an anti-immigration Democrat. i don't care if you support him, but don't pretend he's a "true Republican"
the Kochs aren't RINOs at all in any way, either. they want less government in our lives. it's that simple.
Trump is not a conservative. he's essentially an anti-immigration Democrat. i don't care if you support him, but don't pretend he's a "true Republican"
the Kochs aren't RINOs at all in any way, either. they want less government in our lives. it's that simple.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:17 am to Boatshoes
When TDS goes too far...
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:19 am to Boatshoes
The Koch’s are ideologues. Nothing more. When they are useful, they are useful. When they aren’t, they aren’t.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:24 am to SlowFlowPro
Conservatism. The root word would be conserve. Conserve America and it's culture. There is no absolutism when it comes to trade policy.
Right now, immigration and trade with countries with markedly lower standards of living is not helping to conserve America.
Right now, immigration and trade with countries with markedly lower standards of living is not helping to conserve America.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:25 am to Boatshoes
quote:Aren’t these two things basically direct opposites of one another?
The Koch effort to financially support pro-amnesty, anti-economic nationalist Democrats
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:27 am to Boatshoes
quote:
The root word would be conserve. Conserve America and it's culture.
free trade is American culture
quote:
immigration
i'm not really touching on immigration, but in light of your above point i will say this: we've had open immigration much longer than closed immigration over the history of this country. so you need to figure out your standard above in light of history
quote:
trade with countries with markedly lower standards of living is not helping to conserve America.
that trade is a huge boom to America
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:32 am to Boatshoes
I wouldn’t mind if we blew up K Street and stopped allowing the lobbyists a voice.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
we've had open immigration much longer than closed immigration over the history of this country. so you need to figure out your standard above in light of history
You can have an open faucet into a bucket as well but eventually they will all overflow
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:33 am to funnystuff
The author probably needed another hyphen in there...
"The Koch effort to financially support pro-amnesty, anti-economic-nationalist Democrats"
...for it to make more sense.
"The Koch effort to financially support pro-amnesty, anti-economic-nationalist Democrats"
...for it to make more sense.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:34 am to Zanzibaw
quote:
You can have an open faucet into a bucket as well but eventually they will all overflow
cool. so you're interested in changing our culture and not conserving it.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:we don’t have free trade. We’ve been told by our republican policy wonks about the beauty of global free trade, but Trump exposed their “free” trade as 25% tariffs on US goods while euro markets only paid 2.5%.
there is nothing "RINO" about free trade. it's been a hallmark of conservatism for decades
I would love global free trading, across the board. What I’m not ok with is giving countries access to American markets without reciprocal agreements. Tariffs are a means to an end
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:36 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
quote:
, but Trump exposed their “free” trade as 25% tariffs on US goods while euro markets only paid 2.5%.
just to clarify, the Koch's don't support this (assuming it's true). Paul Ryan may have, but the Koch's don't
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:37 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
cool. so you're interested in changing our culture and not conserving it.
Im interested in conserving our financial resources and general quality of life, yes. You are blurring the lines between political conservative and cultural traditionalism which are two very different things.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:38 am to Zanzibaw
quote:
You are blurring the lines between political conservative and cultural traditionalism which are two very different things.
i think you need to go back and read how the thread got to the post you just quoted
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
i'm not really touching on immigration, but in light of your above point i will say this: we've had open immigration much longer than closed immigration over the history of this country. so you need to figure out your standard above in light of history
Sure. The last two states - Alaska and Hawaii - joined the union in 1959 completing the United States as a country. Prior to that point in time, we were a frontier that was being settled.
If you want to look at the contiguous United States alone, which is perhaps a more rational approach, that date falls to 1912 for completion of the country with the admission of New Mexico and Arizona.
Very soon after that, the immigration act of 1924 restricted the flow of immigrants into the country and things remained that way till the immigration act of 1965 - 41 years. Since that became law, another 54 years have passed.
So your contention that the United States as a nation has had unfettered immigration throughout its history as a modern state is false...in the light of history, of course.
That's assuming you have the wisdom to distinguish between a completed nation with its modern borders, and an unsettled frontier.
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