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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
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and because they thought black Africans were inferior to them
no, but they had natural immunities that natives didn’t to Old world diseases. And since you couldn’t just take a Dutch man and enslave him. Slavery had not existed in Europe since the fall of Rome. Africa West Africa, well the rule of law wasn’t really a thing there and European governments didn’t care.

White slaves were taken on open seas. Again, who is going to know? Just take them.


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Pettifogger
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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
Distinctions between the races is a valid subject but one that isn't terribly relevant to this conversation, IMO.



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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
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Slavery isn't, strictly, racist, even in the American experience.

Many white folks were subject to indentured servitude in North America, and there were very wealthy people of color in the South with large slave holdings.

Now, was slavery mired in racism? Certainly. Is slavery in North America one of the most complex socioeconomic issues in all of human history? Absolutely.

It isn't as simple as "Southern white people = bad - everyone else = Saints." But that is as complex as most Americans are willing to accept.



Solid point.


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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
This thread is incredible


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Was it legal to own white slaves?


Kind of. Not straight chattel, but effectively the same. Google: indentured servitude.

It was legal for blacks to own slaves, too. Again, I get that some want this to be simple. It wasn't.


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The frick it isn't. It CANNOT be irrelevant that black folks were buying and selling their own in this same economy. That's precisely on point. It was more about money and power than skin color.
wow, just wow


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Superior at what?


Just "superior". It doesn't have to be logical, and it sure as heck doesn't have to supply bullet points in a Powerpoint presentation to occur.


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Pettifogger
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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
The problem is it's impossible to separate the people who really want to dissect American slavery and the emotional "NIKKI HALEY TOOK DOWN OUR FLAG" people who are just patterned to defend the South at any mention of slavery.

There are both camps, although I think the latter is outnumbering the former (people like Ace, most likely).


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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
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Kind of. Not straight chattel, but effectively the same. Google: indentured servitude

Could you legally treat indentured servants the way you could legally treat slaves? Could indentured servants be bought and sold?

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It was legal for blacks to own slaves, too.

It was legal for them to own black slaves, you mean.


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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
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Distinctions between the races is a valid subject but one that isn't terribly relevant to this conversation, IMO.


I've already said in my very first post that for slavery to flourish as it did in a widespread manner, it required a racist mindset.

The existence of non-racist reasons to own slaves really doesn't negate that.

But, I simply also point out that we need to get over this idea that we can't acknowledge that there were very significant progress differences between the groups.

As such, we can't act as if whites came to some absurd conclusion for the time.


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Machine
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Doesn't explain the black slaveowner experience. Doesn't explain indentured servitude. Doesn't explain a shite ton of things. But, one cannot credibly deny the racist component of it - it just isn't the end of the discussion, as I have suggested.

you're talking about a fraction of a fraction of a percentage of people. did black slave-owners form a government in this country that allowed enslaving humans?



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wow, just wow
Standard Machine approach when he can't intelligently articulate a rebuttal.

Hell dude. I can articulate a solid rebuttal to the post you had a problem with.

Show some brain power.


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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
The real history of slavery in America...

Prior to 1655 there was no slavery in America associated with the colonists or settlement of the continent. There was indentured servitude for a fixed period of time after which the indentured servant was free to seek other employment. This was the tool that many people who could not afford the cost of an ocean passage to North America used to get here. I say associated with the colonists or settlement because of course there was slavery amongst the native American tribes, but this was not race based...it was the sort of slavery associated with war and conquest that has been seen at various times in human history and is still seen in Islamic societies today.

The father of race based slavery in the US was Anthony Johnson, a tobacco farmer.

Image: https://leadstories.com/assets_c/2016/03/first_slave-thumb-900x900-580039.jpg


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Standard Machine approach when he can't intelligently articulate a rebuttal.

Hell dude. I can articulate a solid rebuttal to the post you had a problem with.

Show some brain power.

some posts are just not worthy of anything other than a facepalm



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Machine
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and?


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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
If slave owners were racist they wouldnt have brought the slaves into america
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Fox Mulder
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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
If it was predicated on racism then why did codified racism not appear in the colonies until well after the arrival of slaves. Well that’s because indentured servants, African slaves and local natives outnumbered whitey. It existed only to separate them...by granting a sort of poor man’s nobility to white peeps.


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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
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Slavery had not existed in Europe since the fall of Rome.


Not quite so sudden. Slavery existed well into the "dark ages" but with the rise of Christianity it became difficult to enslave Christians so began the rise of serfdom. The kissing cousin of slavery. England of course and areas around the Mediterranean had slavery for much longer.


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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
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The problem is it's impossible to separate the people who really want to dissect American slavery


I'm willing to talk about the issue with anyone willing to listen.

The self-righteous northerners, most of whom were not even abolitionists, were eating slave-produced food, relying heavily on slave-produced cotton for their textile industry, slave-produced lumber for their construction and shipbuilding industries, and looking down on southerners, whether they owned slaves or not.

Southerners didn't invent slavery - it was part of the fabric of the country back to the 17th century. Many clearly detested it (look no further than Jefferson and Robert E. fricking Lee), yet are crucified in modern times by folks with the critical thinking skills of gravel.

Americans failed the slaves and each other by not compromising and coming to a better long-term solution than the Civil War. The South was wrong for the right reasons. The North was right for the wrong reasons.

Yet here we are, trying to dissect the most complex (IMHO) socioeconomic issue in history and we can't get past the fact that slavery was not strictly about either race or white supremacy, although those were clearly powerful factors within this extraordinarily complex issue.
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