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re: Just curious as to who believes in aliens/UFOs coverup
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:17 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:17 pm to BamaAtl
I acknowledged when I started that most will think my conclusions are crazy
Don't care
The radiation in India is real the glass fused in the desert is real
The ancient texts with descriptions that are eerily similar to what we see with nuclear fallout are real
They do not prove that there was a nuclear war in antiquity
But they do constitute evidence
Any assertion that they don't is ridiculous
Your denial that has these things exist don't change the fact that they were found
Don't care
The radiation in India is real the glass fused in the desert is real
The ancient texts with descriptions that are eerily similar to what we see with nuclear fallout are real
They do not prove that there was a nuclear war in antiquity
But they do constitute evidence
Any assertion that they don't is ridiculous
Your denial that has these things exist don't change the fact that they were found
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:19 pm to dcbl
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The radiation in India is real the glass fused in the desert is real
They don't mean what you think they mean. Occam's razor.
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The ancient texts with descriptions that are eerily similar to what we see with nuclear fallout are real
They don't mean what you think they mean. Occam's razor.
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They do not prove that there was a nuclear war in antiquity
But they do constitute evidence
Not of nuclear war in antiquity.
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Any assertion that they don't is ridiculous
I'm making that assertion, and it's not ridiculous.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:20 pm to BamaAtl
Perhaps you can explain to me how my pointing out what the theory is constituted my advocacy of magic giants
tia
tia
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:21 pm to dcbl
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Perhaps you can explain to me how my pointing out what the theory is constituted my advocacy of magic giants
Now there aren't giants hiding underground with Satan?
Phew, you dropped one. Now on to the rest!
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:24 pm to BamaAtl
Again, I don't care that you think my conclusion is crazy
Fact is there is evidence
Whether it means what I think it means or not does not take away from the fact that it is evidence
It could be evidence of a meteor strike, but it is evidence
If you are making the assertion that those things are not evidence, then yes, that is ridiculous
Your refusal to accept my conclusion is a different story
Fact is there is evidence
Whether it means what I think it means or not does not take away from the fact that it is evidence
It could be evidence of a meteor strike, but it is evidence
If you are making the assertion that those things are not evidence, then yes, that is ridiculous
Your refusal to accept my conclusion is a different story
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:25 pm to BamaAtl
According to Erik Von daniken, the Bhagavad Gita hints at nculear war in ancient India
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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According to Erik Von daniken, the Bhagavad Gita hints at nculear war in ancient India
Yep, and that is empirical evidence
Again, does not prove anything
But it is evidence...
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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the Bhagavad Gita hints at nculear war in ancient India
No it doesn't. We'd see evidence of that in atmospheric isotopes / soil samples. We don't.
You can't fool nuclear decay.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:28 pm to dcbl
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Yep, and that is empirical evidence
But not of what you think. You're misinterpreting data for your own crazy beliefs. They don't hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:29 pm to dcbl
Here's two things that always amaze me
1) civilizations on every continent, with not even the slightest ability to travel to distant lands to adopt cultures of others, somehow ALL separately arrived at building pyramid like structures.
2) nearly every ancient cultural had a mythology revolving around gods and spirits from above/the sky
1) civilizations on every continent, with not even the slightest ability to travel to distant lands to adopt cultures of others, somehow ALL separately arrived at building pyramid like structures.
2) nearly every ancient cultural had a mythology revolving around gods and spirits from above/the sky
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:29 pm to BamaAtl
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The fact that those things exist makes them evidence
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They don't exist.
If you see something with your own eyes it is direct evidence to you that what you saw exists even if no one else thinks it is evidence because they haven't seen it with their own eyes.
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whether my conclusion based on the evidence is correct or not are irrelevant to this
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Your conclusions are not correct.
Are you 100% certain his conclusions are not correct?
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That those things do exist makes them evidence
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They don't exist.
Something can exist even if everyone on the planet thinks it doesn't exist.
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whether or not my opinion is correct does not change that
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Your opinions are incorrect.
Are you 100% certain his opinions are incorrect?
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There are sheets of green glass that has been fused together in a way we see when we test nuclear bombs in areas that nuclear bombs have never been tested in modern times
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Much like the Tunguska event, explained easily by meteors.
If it was a meteor that caused the Tunguska event then explain why some of the eyewitnesses said the meteor changed directions.
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That's evidence, all day, every day
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Not of what you think it is.
Are you 100% certain it's not what he thinks?
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Whether my conclusion is true or not is irrelevant- it being there makes it evidence
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That you're drawing the wrong conclusion from available data is kind of the whole point. It's why you sound like a whack-job.
You sound like a close-minded biased pseudo-scientist.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:29 pm to BamaAtl
You are being an arse for no reason
I never said anything here were giants hiding with Satan, I explained the theory being discussed
I never said anything here were giants hiding with Satan, I explained the theory being discussed
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:30 pm to dcbl
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Yep, and that is empirical evidence
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Empirical evidence is information acquired by observation or experimentation. This data is recorded and analyzed by scientists and is a central process as part of the scientific method.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:32 pm to DawgfaninCa
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If you see something with your own eyes it is direct evidence to you that what you saw exists even if no one else thinks it is evidence because they haven't seen it with their own eyes.
He's not talking about seeing a 6-leaf clover, he's talking about inferring an event happened from some misinterpreted piece of physical data. Green glass = nukes is not seeing something with your own eyes, it's making an incorrect jump to a wrong conclusion.
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Are you 100% certain his conclusions are not correct?
Yes. There was no advanced civilization tens of thousands of years ago on Earth that wiped itself out in nuclear war.
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If it was a meteor that caused the Tunguska event then explain why some of the eyewitnesses said the meteor changed directions.
A) Eyewitnesses are unreliable
B) They didn't
C) Optical illusion
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Are you 100% certain it's not what he thinks?
Yes. No ancient civilization with nukes.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Me too
Fwiw , there is even stronger evidence of world travel in antiquity
The best evidence is the cocoa found in the stomached of Egyptian mummies & Jewish artifacts found in the Americas
Fwiw , there is even stronger evidence of world travel in antiquity
The best evidence is the cocoa found in the stomached of Egyptian mummies & Jewish artifacts found in the Americas
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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1) civilizations on every continent, with not even the slightest ability to travel to distant lands to adopt cultures of others, somehow ALL separately arrived at building pyramid like structures.
Economical way to add height in the absence of stronger building material than wood and quarried stone. And not every civilization did it.
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2) nearly every ancient cultural had a mythology revolving around gods and spirits from above/the sky
Humans are naturally curious. We seek to explain that which we do not understand. Some people thought of Osiris, some of Zeus, some of Quetzalcoatl, some of Jesus.
That doesn't infer what you're trying to claim it infers about humans.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:35 pm to BamaAtl
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the Bhagavad Gita hints at nculear war in ancient India
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No it doesn't. We'd see evidence of that in atmospheric isotopes / soil samples. We don't.
You can't fool nuclear decay.
How long would it take for evidence of that in atmospheric isotopes/soil samples to decay to the point there is no longer any evidence?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:37 pm to dcbl
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I found a gun in your car - that's evidence
Ok you are meaning "an observation" right here, but what does that fact or information support? A gun being in my car is just plain unrelated to your wife being shot without further supporting information. What if I always have a gun in my car, did I shoot everyone's wife? As of now it is only evidence that there is a gun in my car, Not that I killed your wife.
Your use of speculation is right, as you only have evidence that there is a gun in my car. It is still just your theory/speculation/conjecture that I shot your wife without further information.
You are speculating ancient people used atom bombs because there is green glass in modern times. Green glass existing does not mean you have evidence of your ancient atomic warfare. You do have evidence of green glass exists though, but again it just does not qualify a supporting the validity of the claim that mythical ancient civilizations using atomic bombs occurred.
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There are sheets of green glass that has been fused together in a way we see when we test nuclear bombs in areas that nuclear bombs have never been tested in modern times
That's evidence, all day, every day
Whether my conclusion is true or not is irrelevant- it being there makes it evidence
For you to consider something Evidence, it must support the validity of your belief. You can't say you have evidence to support a conclusion that's accuracy is irrelevant, because evidence by definition has to support the validity of a conclusion, otherwise its an unrelated observation. Similar to your reference of the gun in car and wife being shot, your conclusion is still just speculation.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:39 pm to northshorebamaman
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Empirical evidence is information acquired by observation or experimentation. This data is recorded and analyzed by scientists and is a central process as part of the scientific method.
Exactly - evidence drawn by observation
That is what we are dealing with here
Again, just because you do not like my conclusion, that does not change the fact that there is empirical evidence
You guys are making the wrong argument here...
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:40 pm to dcbl
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Plus, I was merely giving info on that theory, not arguing it's validity...
Then you are just making observations, not providing any evidence, which by definition must support validity of a conclusion.
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