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Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:48 pm to BamaAtl
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If you see something with your own eyes it is direct evidence to you that what you saw exists even if no one else thinks it is evidence because they haven't seen it with their own eyes.
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He's not talking about seeing a 6-leaf clover, he's talking about inferring an event happened from some misinterpreted piece of physical data. Green glass = nukes is not seeing something with your own eyes, it's making an incorrect jump to a wrong conclusion.
I know that but I'm talking about someone who sees with their own eyes a UFO.
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Are you 100% certain his conclusions are not correct?
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Yes. There was no advanced civilization tens of thousands of years ago on Earth that wiped itself out in nuclear war.
If you can be 100% certain about that even though you didn't live tens of thousands of years ago then why am I constantly told by skeptics that I can't be 100% certain I know sea serpents exists because I saw with my own eyes a sea serpent that was only 20 yards away from me?
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If it was a meteor that caused the Tunguska event then explain why some of the eyewitnesses said the meteor changed directions.
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A) Eyewitnesses are unreliable
B) They didn't
C) Optical illusion
Why are you leaving out "D) It wasn't a meteor"?
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Are you 100% certain it's not what he thinks?
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Yes. No ancient civilization with nukes.
Okay.
I'm 100% certain sea serpents exist because I saw with my own eyes a sea serpent that was only 20 yards away from me.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:53 pm to AMS
You are arguing semantics here
Evidence is evidence, whether it supports my belief or not
My frustration with you is that we are arguing over what "evidence" means
We both know what it means
I have acknowledged that my conclusions will be seen as crazy
I also have said that this is just a fun topic and really does not affect my life (or yours) you and BamaAtl are getting super emotional about this, why?
Seems you don't like having your core beliefs challenged...
I believe mankind had advanced technology in antiquity
I mentioned that there is evidence that a nuclear war may have even taken place, referenced that a highly acclaimed scientist believed the same thing (or at least speculated about the possibility)
Pointed out there is evidence that suggests this could be true
I am not claiming that I know these things happened, just speculating
Evidence is evidence, whether it supports my belief or not
My frustration with you is that we are arguing over what "evidence" means
We both know what it means
I have acknowledged that my conclusions will be seen as crazy
I also have said that this is just a fun topic and really does not affect my life (or yours) you and BamaAtl are getting super emotional about this, why?
Seems you don't like having your core beliefs challenged...
I believe mankind had advanced technology in antiquity
I mentioned that there is evidence that a nuclear war may have even taken place, referenced that a highly acclaimed scientist believed the same thing (or at least speculated about the possibility)
Pointed out there is evidence that suggests this could be true
I am not claiming that I know these things happened, just speculating
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:55 pm to AMS
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For observations to be evidence it must support a conclusion, not just be an observation.
Great! Then my observation with my own eyes of a sea serpent that was only 20 yards away from me is evidence that sea serpents exist.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:57 pm to rebeloke
Moochy and Barry were brought to earth by George Clinton.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:57 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I'm 100% certain sea serpents exist because I saw with my own eyes a sea serpent that was only 20 yards away from me.
So say I am 100% certain I am Jesus himself the second coming, because I am. Does that make it factual?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:00 pm to dcbl
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Seems you don't like having your core beliefs challenged...
Close-minded biased scientists and skeptics don't like their core beliefs challenged.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:02 pm to DawgfaninCa
Agreed
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:04 pm to rebeloke
truth is out there
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:06 pm to dcbl
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Evidence is evidence, whether it supports my belief or not
Actually for it to be evidence it must support your conclusion, otherwise its an unrelated observation of something, not evidence your conclusion.
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We both know what it means
Then why are you still confusing an unrelated observation or conjecture with evidence of a conclusion?
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Seems you don't like having your core beliefs challenged...
I believe mankind had advanced technology in antiquity
I mentioned that there is evidence that a nuclear war may have even taken place, referenced that a highly acclaimed scientist believed the same thing (or at least speculated about the possibility)
Thats good and dandy, but your belief is still based off speculation, not evidence.
You mention observations/speculations which you are confusing with providing evidence.
You referenced a highly acclaimed scientist who speculated something, and used his speculation as evidence?
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just speculating
Finally we agree. You are just speculating not providing any evidence.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:06 pm to DawgfaninCa
We have not even talked about the fact that a hang glider airplane was found in a pyramid in Egypt
I am sure BamaAtl will be here shortly to tell me if does not exist
Funny story, it was labeled as "a bird depiction" and thrown in a basement at first, of course, the people that found it had no clue what an airplane is...
I am sure BamaAtl will be here shortly to tell me if does not exist
Funny story, it was labeled as "a bird depiction" and thrown in a basement at first, of course, the people that found it had no clue what an airplane is...
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:06 pm to AMS
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I'm 100% certain sea serpents exist because I saw with my own eyes a sea serpent that was only 20 yards away from me.
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So say I am 100% certain I am Jesus himself the second coming, because I am. Does that make it factual?
There was another person who is 100% certain that sea serpents exist because they were with me and saw the sea serpent with their own eyes that was only 20 yards away from both of us.
Is there a person besides you who is 100% certain you are Jesus?
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:12 pm to AMS
You really don't know what evidence means - sad
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The things I described do support my conclusion, that you disagree with my conclusion does not change that
You are trying too hard here and making a fallacious argument
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Evidence is anything that you see, experience, read, or are told that causes you to believe that something is true or has really happened.
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The things I described do support my conclusion, that you disagree with my conclusion does not change that
You are trying too hard here and making a fallacious argument
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:14 pm to dcbl
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We have not even talked about the fact that a hang glider airplane was found in a pyramid in Egypt
I've seen photos of it and the tail looks exactly like a plane's tail not like a bird's tail.
Someone even made an exact model of it and it glided perfectly.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:15 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I'm 100% certain sea serpents exist because I saw with my own eyes a sea serpent that was only 20 yards away from me.
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So say I am 100% certain I am Jesus himself the second coming, because I am. Does that make it factual?
There was another person who is 100% certain that sea serpents exist because they were with me and saw the sea serpent with their own eyes that was only 20 yards away from both of us.
Is there a person besides you who is 100% certain you are Jesus?
Well that doesn't really answer my question. I would say just because I might not believe your evidence does not make it non-evidence.
I'm not sure why it would matter if someone else thought for 100% certainty I was Jesus x2. But because there is, does that make it factual?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:19 pm to DawgfaninCa
Saw that video
They also made a model plane from the golden trinket found in South America shaped like a fighter jet, flew perfectly
We also have the Nazca lines & what looks like an ancient airstrip carved into the top of a mountain
That shite must not be evidence either...
They also made a model plane from the golden trinket found in South America shaped like a fighter jet, flew perfectly
We also have the Nazca lines & what looks like an ancient airstrip carved into the top of a mountain
That shite must not be evidence either...
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:23 pm to AMS
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Well that doesn't really answer my question. I would say just because I might not believe your evidence does not make it non-evidence.
No, but you are saying that a city found with fused bricks and radiation AND fused glass found in a desert does not constitute evidence
I have acknowledged that my conclusions are speculative, but your want to argue that the is not evidence
Nice
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:23 pm to BamaAtl
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Occam's razor.
Occam's razor is just the most likely explanation.
It doesn't mean it is the correct explanation.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:34 pm to rebeloke
I'm late to this thread but there are no alien "cover ups" or even UFO ones. There are simple too many people moving in and out of government who could have come across some info related to this to cover it up. Think about it. The government pretty much sucks at everything, even cover ups.
Then beyond that, there are no aliens. The Universe is extremely hostile towards life. The fact that we have life on Earth probably can be traced back to our place in the Universe. The Milky Way is located in one of the biggest voids in the Universe. However, there have been numerous documented events in recorded history that came pretty close to ending life on Earth. Now think about that, what if the Earth was in a much more densely packed portion of the Universe? The chances to end life on Earth would greatly go up.
Then beyond that, there are no aliens. The Universe is extremely hostile towards life. The fact that we have life on Earth probably can be traced back to our place in the Universe. The Milky Way is located in one of the biggest voids in the Universe. However, there have been numerous documented events in recorded history that came pretty close to ending life on Earth. Now think about that, what if the Earth was in a much more densely packed portion of the Universe? The chances to end life on Earth would greatly go up.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:34 pm to dcbl
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Well that doesn't really answer my question. I would say just because I might not believe your evidence does not make it non-evidence.
No, but you are saying that a city found with fused bricks and radiation AND fused glass found in a desert does not constitute evidence
I have acknowledged that my conclusions are speculative, but your want to argue that the is not evidence
Nice
No, I am saying it is evidence that there is a city found with fused bricks AND fused glass found in a desert. But its just not evidence in regards with your conclusions.
I am arguing you are not providing evidence, because it is unrelated to your conclusions, which you conceded is speculative therefore unsupported with evidence, nice.
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