re: Just a reminder about the relationship between CO2 and the earth's temperature

This is such a valueless post.

Nobody is saying no CO2.

But a bunch of dumbasses will downvote me here.

My brother, who is to the left of Bernie Sanders, visited last week and he was going on and on about the heat. I was polite and tried to change the subject but I wanted to just cut in and call him on his climate change/global warming bullshite hinting right away.

You mean to tell me in the middle of June in Alabama that it was hot? No, you don't say! It was mid to upper 90’s air temp and heat index of lower 100’s. I recall distinctly in 1981 here, even as an 8 year old, it was well north of 100 air temps for almost two weeks. That was memorable even for me at my age then. I did eventually remind him of that when he blew past my attempts to move to another subject.

If this mankind influenced climate change hocus pocus was such a thing, why are climate events so damned random? Should it not be a constantly devolving situation with larger, more extreme, and noteworthy events one upping the next? Oh that’s right, you lefties will say that I don’t get what climate change is all about just like I don’t understand that Communism is not a failed form of governance, it’s just not been applied properly. Sorry…I think that both are BS and that there’s nothing to explain about either. Not only that they’re more than just analogous, they’re both joined at the hip!

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I still disagree with your premise that CO2 is finite and neither increases nor decreases

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I like the premise of what you wrote and I think we agree that climate change/global warming is all BS

My research shows that there is a finite amount of carbon dioxide - there is an amount that is in the atmosphere, there is an amount in plant life and humans and there is an amount underground but the total is finite as I understand it

I think the argument is when underground carbon dioxide reaches the surface and warms the atmosphere and changes or alters the temperature.

While there is a certain amount of scientific logic to that, a volcano spews more carbon dioxide than humanity

Has anyone proposed higher taxes? That should cool the planet.

I like this older report but especially the graph. It shows the earth is its own decider and has some trends over time. Yet warmers only see less than 10 years and declare end of days. The next phase will be ice age again but long after we’re all 6 feet under.



Vostok Ice Cores and the 8,000-year Lag
During Earth’s recent history, there has been a relationship between carbon dioxide and global temperatures: when temperatures rise, the concentration of CO2 subsequently rises, and when temperatures fall, CO2 concentration thereafter declines. Ice cores from Vostok in Antarctica have been studied intensively to analyze temperatures and concentrations of various gases over the course of millennia. Euan Mearns reviews the literature as it relates to both CO2 and methane:

In their seminal paper on the Vostok Ice Core, Petit et al (1999) note that CO2 lags temperature during the onset of glaciations by several thousand years but offer no explanation. They also observe that CH4 and CO2 are not perfectly aligned with each other but offer no explanation. The significance of these observations [is] therefore ignored. At the onset of glaciations temperature drops to glacial values before CO2 begins to fall suggesting that CO2 has little influence on temperature modulation at these times. …

The fit of CO2 to temperature is actually not nearly so tight as for CH4. There is a persistent tendency for CO2 to lag temperature throughout and this time lag is most pronounced at the onset of each glacial cycle “where CO2 lags temperature by several thousand years.”

This chart shows how the Vostok ice cores reveal temperature and CO2 concentration over the Earth’s recent history, i.e., the last 450,000 years. The present is on the left

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This chart might be easier to read than the one above but its based on same ice cores as above but the present time is on the right.



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My research shows that there is a finite amount of carbon dioxide - there is an amount that is in the atmosphere, there is an amount in plant life and humans and there is an amount underground but the total is finite as I understand it

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Are you sure you aren't meaning to say a finite amount of carbon and oxygen atoms?

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Has anyone proposed higher taxes? That should cool the planet.

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Maurice Strong and Al Gore had an even more elaborate scheme than simple taxation.

The bad part for Gore is he made a film with dated predictions. To date, not one has come to fruition.

That's how you know they aren't using real science, merely snake oil salesmen.

Yes there is a finite amount of carbon but I continue to look and all you see is the talk about the carbon cycle with no direct answer as to carbon dioxide

However if their is a limited amount of carbon, then there is also a limited amount of carbon dioxide by definition

Then you should challenge every authority that says otherwise

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