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re: Judicial Jurisprudence killing Trump EO’s.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 9:49 am to Flats
Posted on 5/2/25 at 9:49 am to Flats
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So when the president, as Commander in Chief, directs a policy that says "no more trannies in the military", is the person advising him in the wrong?
I was mostly referring to mass firings of federal workers and deportation. The laws that exist on the books are sufficient to accomplish those goals. In many cases, the Trump Administration decided not to comply with the laws. They have relied on policy arguments that don't pass legal scrutiny.
As for the tranny thing, that seems pretty clear cut. Trannys aren't a protected class, so I think that was good legal advice.
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Posted on 5/2/25 at 10:22 am to IvoryBillMatt
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As for the tranny thing, that seems pretty clear cut. Trannys aren't a protected class, so I think that was good legal advice.
And yet a judge slapped an injunction on it anyway. If a reasonably intelligent person can conclude that it's almost certainly a politically motivated opinion, what do you think that does for the scenario you describe here?
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I was mostly referring to mass firings of federal workers and deportation. The laws that exist on the books are sufficient to accomplish those goals.
Even if you're right, nobody cares because of other decisions about trannies in the military. They don't know the ins and outs of the existing laws, they just see that the judiciary is being used, very willingly in some cases, as a road block.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 10:23 am to lake chuck fan
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Once SCOTUS rules on a couple cases, the rest of the cases will dissappear. If SCOTUS doesn't rule correctly, Trump admin should simply ignore them.
This sounds great on a message board. But in reality it’s going to really suck.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 10:25 am to MajorityWhip
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What is your Congress doing?
Same as always. Chirping on TV and little else.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 10:42 am to Flats
I don't think we're that far apart in our thinking.
Our country is in a mess which became a crisis during "Biden's" Administration. Understandably and admirably, TO FULFILL THE MANDATE GIVEN BY THE PEOPLE IN THE 2024 ELECTION, the Trump Administration has tried to cut some legal corners.
It's not the end of the world, but I don't think Trump has been given the best legal advice in trying to fulfill his promises.
Our country is in a mess which became a crisis during "Biden's" Administration. Understandably and admirably, TO FULFILL THE MANDATE GIVEN BY THE PEOPLE IN THE 2024 ELECTION, the Trump Administration has tried to cut some legal corners.
It's not the end of the world, but I don't think Trump has been given the best legal advice in trying to fulfill his promises.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 11:01 am to Flats
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while the U.S. has seen a sharp decline -- 24 percentage points -- in the past four years.
Yes the MAGA contingent has adopted the leftist reliance on vague institutional enemies, and they see the courts as one of those (which increased after "Stop the Steal" nonsense wasn't fruitful and then increased when the criminals from J6 were prosecuted).
Posted on 5/2/25 at 11:03 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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What a stupid way to run a country. "You can't do what the people elected you to do unless you use the magic words!"
That's how laws work.
You'd rather government be able to ignore the textual (ie, words) limits of legislation and do whatever they feel like doing?
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And here's the problem. You care more about the process than the results
A governmental system and society based on laws must do this.
Otherwise you're sanctioning a Leviathan.
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The democrats broke every rule to bring in 20 million leeches, gangbangers, rapists, and murderers but you demand the Republicans not only follow every single minute law, rule, or norm, but also, now, they must say the exact right words while doing so.
And here is the nonsensical NPC drivel that ignores reality to justify the emotional reactions to promote the path to that Leviathan
Posted on 5/2/25 at 11:04 am to IvoryBillMatt
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the Trump Administration has tried to cut some legal corners.
How does the layperson know this? Because a judge said so?
Posted on 5/2/25 at 11:04 am to Bunk Moreland
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All I've been trying to say for the last couple of months is, do you really want a Dem doing some of these things?
The NPC talking points pretend that Biden DID do these things.
I thought the first era of MAGA was scary to see formerly rational and analytical people join in with the plebs, but it's really amplified since the inauguration.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yes the MAGA contingent
You are hopelessly naive if you think that the falling trust in the judiciary is solely due to MAGA.
I get it, you can't admit to flaws in the judiciary so it has to be the fault of "others", here the "others" are the inbred toothless MAGA folks. Law school does a helluva job brainwashing people.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 11:09 am to Flats
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You are hopelessly naive if you think that the falling trust in the judiciary is solely due to MAGA.
From 2020-2024? Why would you assume it's anyone else?
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you can't admit to flaws in the judiciary so it has to be the fault of "others",
You're conflating 2 things.
1. Discussing potential flaws in the judiciary
2. Public opinion of the judiciary
"Others" are part of #2 as they're part of the public. They have no part of #1, as they showed their irrationality with their opinon changes in #2 and have no valid input in the discussion of #1 accordingly
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Law school does a helluva job brainwashing people.
What?
Posted on 5/2/25 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why would you assume it's anyone else?
My point exactly. You can't conceive that part of the fault lies in the judiciary itself. It simply has to be an external cause, and in this case MAGA is a convenient "other" group for you to scapegoat.
I'm hardly MAGA and I'm cynical as hell about the judiciary. Now what?
Posted on 5/2/25 at 11:19 am to lake chuck fan
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If SCOTUS doesn't rule correctly, Trump admin should simply ignore them.
That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 11:30 am to Flats
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You can't conceive that part of the fault lies in the judiciary itself.
The poll is based in people, not the "judiciary itself"
One thing that has been intentional from the people who create the talking points for MAGA-adjacent types is attacking the judiciary. Just look at this thread to see the culmination of those efforts.
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and in this case MAGA is a convenient "other" group for you to scapegoat.
What are the arguments why the non-MAGA types would change their perception of the judicial system towards the negative from 2020-2024?
Dobbs? That was issued in 2022.
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I'm hardly MAGA and I'm cynical as hell about the judiciary. Now what?
I'd start by examinig what sourcing is causing this feeling and do a regression-based analysis from that to answer why you feel that way.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 12:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The poll is based in people, not the "judiciary itself"
So are polls about Trump. Are you suggesting that Trump's actions have no impact on his polling? I don't think you're that stupid.
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I'd start by examinig what sourcing is causing this feeling and do a regression-based analysis from that to answer why you feel that way.
I'd start by telling you what to do with your condescension.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 1:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:So you think the President creates the bill and sends it to the Congress?
Waiting on Trump's big, beautiful bill.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 1:45 pm to dafif
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the AEA as an example. He simply did not use the correct wording. We all agree that he is doing the right thing but the method and use of words is very important. It could be that the lawyers doing this are doing it on purpose or just not competent enough. Dont know that answer
Do you reads bills and laws in Louisiana? Do we really have to go that far with EOs in the US? You have to have bullet points and the bullet points have to each have decision trees just to decipher a tax renewal in Louisiana.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 2:02 pm to RollTide4547
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So you think the President creates the bill and sends it to the Congress?
The President working with Congress to write bills is how we've made most legislation for at least the past 20 years.
This elementary/traditional scenario where Congress writes a bill they think will pass and the President has no part, who read it for the first time after passage, does not reflect reality.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 2:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Thanks for telling me something that School House Rock taught people years ago. But it is not what you said. You said "Waiting on Trump's big, beautiful bill". Waiting on something does not imply that you are working with someone else. It implying that you are in a holding pattern until someone else completes their work. In this case, the "Big Beautiful Bill". Had you meant "President working with Congress", you should have said that.
The President working with Congress to write bills is how we've made most legislation for at least the past 20 years.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 5:45 pm to CR4090
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Helping the Democrats screw Trump. They are quiet as church mouses. At this point it is Trump and his people vs the world. I honestly never expected it to be this bad. The House is lost in the mid terms, not sure about the Senate. But more important, I don't care
I’m a hundred percent behind you on this!
We have grifters among us who make huge profits and hold vast lands and estates because of the illegal immigration epidemic.
I know and have family involved in it and they are despondent over this item.
I try and avoid the topic down there when visiting as they are land barons in the region.
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