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re: Judge Tigar defies federal appeals court, reinstates injunction against asylum ban
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:46 pm to cwill
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:46 pm to cwill
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They’re prepared to file in every jurisdiction if confined to the 9th
There's no point at this point to even referring to courts as higher or lower given that no matter what some higher court does, the lower courts literally have decided they can "overrule" for all practical purposes.
We no longer have a judicial system in any reasonable sense of the concept
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Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:52 pm to Strannix
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:53 pm to ShortyRob
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There's no point at this point to even referring to courts as higher or lower given that no matter what some higher court does, the lower courts literally have decided they can "overrule" for all practical purposes.
We no longer have a judicial system in any reasonable sense of the concept
If old Liz warren wins and issues a fracking ban EO I think your view of the courts will change significantly. I don’t know why people are so shortsighted.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:54 pm to Strannix
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The simple fact is none of these people are “refugees” seeking asylum, they’re economic migrants who want free stuff, it’s that simple
Ok, I’m sure the gov will argue that angle up the chain.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:55 pm to Strannix
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Muh illegal imgrant workshop needs relief from Orange man
You should stick to these types of posts.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:55 pm to PhDoogan
quote:And I largely agree with you here. I expect the substance of the ruling to eventually be overruled.
But the misleading nature of the article does not make the substance of the district court's underlining findings or conclusions of law any less despicable.
I have often said that anyone seeking asylum should be held in custody until his case is heard, and that probably 95% of such request lack any merit as bona fide “asylum.”
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:59 pm to cwill
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If old Liz warren wins and issues a fracking ban EO I think your view of the courts will change significantly. I don’t know why people are so shortsighted
Here's the thing.
Opponents will go to a court in the 5th Circuit and win, and then her DOJ will go to the 9th and get a contrary ruling. She'll go with the one she likes.
For all the Trump Facist/Dictator talk, in every instance where Trump has had the same situation, he has NOT gone that route
This post was edited on 9/9/19 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:02 pm to cwill
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Ok, I’m sure the gov will argue that angle up the chain
And the 9th Circuit won't give a watery shite because orange man bad.
Trump should just close the border to all immigration until all of these cases are resolved. Importation of goods is fine. No people.
That would put heat on the Dems to actually pass something.
This post was edited on 9/9/19 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:07 pm to udtiger
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Opponents will go to a court in the 5th Circuit and win, and then her DOJ will go to the 9th and get a contrary ruling. She'll go with the one she likes.
I thought you were a lawyer?
Why doesn’t trump just go to the 5th and get his ruling (per your formulation)?
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For all the Trump Facist/Dictator talk, in every instance where Trump has had the same situation, he has NOT gone that route
No EOs?
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:09 pm to udtiger
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And the 9th Circuit won't give a watery shite because orange man bad.
Arecyou telling me the 9th won’t respect the SCt decision if rendered against their decision? How would that work? Would the gov/ice not act in line with the SCt?
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:10 pm to cwill
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I thought you were a lawyer?
I am.
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Why doesn’t trump just go to the 5th and get his ruling (per your formulation)?
My guess is that whole "advisory ruling" thing. He'd need to get a "friendly" plaintiff with standing to file in that jurisdiction...guess what, they're not lining up for him.
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No EOs?
You haven't been paying attention to the impetus of these lawsuits, have you?
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:13 pm to cwill
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issues a fracking ban EO
That’s not how EO’s work but I wouldn’t expect you to understand
This post was edited on 9/9/19 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:14 pm to cwill
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Arecyou telling me the 9th won’t respect the SCt decision if rendered against their decision? How would that work? Would the gov/ice not act in line with the SCt?
Are you drunk?
District court has ruled.
Next step is 9th.
Government makes the argument you noted about the asylum claims being bullshite.
9th buys district court's bullshite (i.e., doesn't give a watery shite).
IF the Supremes reverse, I would anticipate the 9th would follow; however, I don't give the benefit of the doubt to Tigar (see retarded Hawaii judge).
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:18 pm to udtiger
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My guess is that whole "advisory ruling" thing. He'd need to get a "friendly" plaintiff with standing to file in that jurisdiction...guess what, they're not lining up for him.
In Texas, come fricking on.
He’s not doing it because there’s nothing to file, what’s the claim. Would be the same for warren with an injunction from the fifth.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:19 pm to AggieHank86
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you’ve already decided you don’t like
You made it an easy decision.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:21 pm to udtiger
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Are you drunk?
District court has ruled.
Next step is 9th.
You weren’t clear and this discussion has more or less assumed the ninth will affirm after the additional evidence.
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IF the Supremes reverse, I would anticipate the 9th would follow; however, I don't give the benefit of the doubt to Tigar (see retarded Hawaii judge).
What do you mean? Tigar wouldn’t follow SCt ruling?
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:25 pm to cwill
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If old Liz warren wins and issues a fracking ban EO I think your view of the courts will change significantly. I don’t know why people are so shortsighted.
No. It won't
National injunctions by inferior courts are bull shite.
But even worse. National injunctions that override Superior Courts after just bull shite on steroids
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:25 pm to cwill
And all of this stems because a legal workshop that caters to criminal aliens is inconvenienced 
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:26 pm to cwill
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Ok, I’m sure the gov will argue that angle up the chain.
What does it matter? even if the supreme Court rules some Podunk stupid fricker in a no-name court it's just going to issue some new ruling that contravenes it based on some narrow "new" aspect that starts the process over again
Posted on 9/9/19 at 8:27 pm to cwill
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Arecyou telling me the 9th won’t respect the SCt decision if rendered against their decision? How would that work? Would the gov/ice not act in line with the SCt?
What do you mean how would it work? We're already seeing it
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