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re: Judge Tigar defies federal appeals court, reinstates injunction against asylum ban

Posted on 9/9/19 at 6:51 pm to
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 6:51 pm to
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Neither CWill nor I has said that we agree with this ruling

The ruling should be summarily ignored and if he persists he should be arrested
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48949 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 6:52 pm to
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as usual, you have completely failed to understand anything that is posted by people that you’ve already decided you don’t like. Neither CWill nor I has said that we agree with this ruling. All we have done is correct erroneous interpretations of what it does and why.



I read it and understand it’s complete legal tripe and bullshite, there’s nothing nuanced about it LiberalHank
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 6:53 pm to
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Using this approach EVERY ruling ever could be overturned
Every appellate ruling resulting from lack of evidence in District court on a preliminary/temporary injunction, in which the District court subsequently heard additional evidence?

Yes, you are correct. That is how preliminary rulings WORK.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48949 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 6:58 pm to
The way to go with this is to specifically target the plaintiffs illegals for federal detention and deportation.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48949 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 6:59 pm to
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Every appellate ruling resulting from lack of evidence


Lie
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:00 pm to
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Every appellate ruling resulting from lack of evidence in District court on a preliminary/temporary injunction, in which the District court subsequently heard additional evidence?

Yes, you are correct. That is how preliminary rulings WORK.

Absurdity on its face

Posted by Pussykat
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
3889 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:00 pm to
How can he do this? Just ignore him.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:07 pm to
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The ruling should be summarily ignored and if he persists he should be arrested


At one time time your histrionics would have surprised.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:09 pm to
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At one time time your histrionics would have surprised.

Meh

Judges are completely out of control and have rendered our legal system meaningless
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:09 pm to
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At one time time your histrionics would have surprised

Hell

It's barely even accurate to refer to these people at judges anymore.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:16 pm to
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So what “new evidence” was presented? The appeals court already made the decision, why wasn’t this evidence part of the original suit?


What do you perceive there decision to have been? See my first post, this was not a straight rejection. The plaintiffs acted as any would and followed the circuit direction to provide supplemental evidence. Now the appeals process starts anew. If you do the minimum research beyond the facile article you posted you could find this yourself.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:18 pm to
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Judges are completely out of control and have rendered our legal system meaningless


Appeal to the SCt, which the gov will do...its stacked in their favor (or not).
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21797 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:19 pm to
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It's barely even accurate to refer to these people at judges anymore.


They’re politicians who happen to wear robes.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48949 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:19 pm to
The simple fact is none of these people are “refugees” seeking asylum, they’re economic migrants who want free stuff, it’s that simple
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:22 pm to
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Appeal to the SCt, which the gov will do...its stacked in their favor (or not

What an absurdity

Lower judges can simply overwhelm the system under this idiocy
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:27 pm to
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Lower judges can simply overwhelm the system under this idiocy


They’re prepared to file in every jurisdiction if confined to the 9th.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48949 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:30 pm to
Muh illegal imgrant workshop needs relief from Orange man
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21797 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:34 pm to
Resist isn’t just a twitter hashtag. When you look at the lengths the FBI went to when their gal didn’t get elected, this isn’t much of a surprise.
Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14947 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:34 pm to
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Except that none of that bears much resemblance to what actually happened.

This is what happens when non-lawyers write news articles about judicial decisions. They frick it up.


Have to agree with you mostly on this one except for a few points- the article was written by Shannon Bream who does have a law degree and was apparently, at one point, admitted to practice, based on quick googling.

There area lot of legal procedural nuances in these rulings- i.e. whether a stay of a preliminary injunction on appeal should be restricted within the 9th Circus or be nationwide, ability to further develop muh record, etc., and all of that does make the article misleading. So there was not defiance. The 9th Circus invited this outcome.

But the misleading nature of the article does not make the substance of the district court's underlining findings or conclusions of law any less despicable. It is a disgusting power grab and defecation on the separation of powers.

Plus, the speed all of this has occurred is very revealing.

- July 16, 2019: DOJ and DHS publish joint interim final rule that migrants must first apply for asylum in Mexico before applying in US.

- July 17, 2019: Pro-illegal immigrant organizations move for temporary restraining order (converted by consent to preliminary injunction) to prevent order

[How many peaceful migrants must have died on 7/16 by mean orange man's order?]

- July 24, 2019: Court grants motion.

- Aug. 16, 2019: 9th Circuit denies motion to stay (block effects of Tigar's ruling) except within CA, AZ, WA, OR, etc.

- Thurs, September 5, 2019: current motion heard

- Today: Ruling with national implications issued.











Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98872 posts
Posted on 9/9/19 at 7:42 pm to
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