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re: Judge blocks removal of Palestinian activist who was detained at Columbia University.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:32 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:32 am to 4cubbies
quote:
words that hurt our feelings
This is not about hurt feelings. This is about showing support for a terrorist organization and promoting genocide
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:35 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Mamood Khalil was caught on camera chanting “Hamas forever! Death to America!“
This grad student is an *active* supporter of Hamas.
OK, that never happened. But it is only a matter of time before someone on this forum starts making either that claim or something very similar.
For a distressingly large percentage of our posters, facts simply do not matter.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 7:39 am
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:38 am to LRB1967
quote:look, this is not difficult.quote:This is not about hurt feelings. This is about showing support for a terrorist organization and promoting genocide
words that hurt our feelings
This guy was on camera nearly continuously for two months. It should be a simple matter to post a clip of him saying something positive or supportive of Hamas.
Please do so.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:41 am to LRB1967
The Trump admin is going after students who have used their first amendment, Constitutional rights.
This is unacceptable. Deporting legal residents solely for expressing their political opinions is a violation of free speech rights. Who's next? Citizens? - @RepJayapal
Green card holders are resident aliens, not citizens. Under 8 USC 1227, they are deportable for endorsing terrorist activity, persuading others to endorse terrorist activity, or support for a terrorist organization. The US government recognizes Hamas as a foreign terrorist organization.
Many of the illegal acts committed at Columbia & Barnard meet the definition of a terrorist activity. Injuring school staff, vandalism, barricading inside buildings, and preventing students from attending classes are NOT examples of Free Speech. They have no Constitutional protections.
If members of Congress don't like the law, then change it. But don't lie about it in order to support someone who violated it just because you agree with his Antisemitic cause. - @Joelmpetlin
This is unacceptable. Deporting legal residents solely for expressing their political opinions is a violation of free speech rights. Who's next? Citizens? - @RepJayapal
Green card holders are resident aliens, not citizens. Under 8 USC 1227, they are deportable for endorsing terrorist activity, persuading others to endorse terrorist activity, or support for a terrorist organization. The US government recognizes Hamas as a foreign terrorist organization.
Many of the illegal acts committed at Columbia & Barnard meet the definition of a terrorist activity. Injuring school staff, vandalism, barricading inside buildings, and preventing students from attending classes are NOT examples of Free Speech. They have no Constitutional protections.
If members of Congress don't like the law, then change it. But don't lie about it in order to support someone who violated it just because you agree with his Antisemitic cause. - @Joelmpetlin
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:44 am to Jbird
quote:Let’s say, just for the sake of discussion, that all of this is true.
Many of the illegal acts committed at Columbia & Barnard meet the definition of a terrorist activity. Injuring school staff, vandalism, barricading inside buildings, and preventing students from attending classes are NOT examples of Free Speech. They have no Constitutional protections.
Please show us where Mahmood Khalil participated directly in any of these activities
Because Trump is not trying to deport some random, hypothetical “protester.“ He is trying to deport that specific individual.
In my vision of America, the federal government only brings its hammer down upon people for things that they actually did, not for some crowdsourced fantasy.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 7:48 am
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:46 am to AggieHank86
Odd hill to die on…
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:48 am to AggieHank86
I simply posted your girl's comment and the reply. Not shitting on your hero Khalil.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:49 am to OTIS2
quote:I consider the Constitution of the United States to be quite a worthy hill.
Odd hill to die on…
The big constitutional questions are not usually decided based upon the actions of a sweet, blue haired, little church lady.
e.g. Miranda was a thug. he probably belonged underneath the jail. But there is a bigger question. That question involves ensuring that the US government adheres to the Constitution.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 7:53 am
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:51 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Please show us where Mahmood Khalil participated directly in any of these activities
Hes getting the Rico act. Sorry bub if he planned it all hes responsible for it
New sherrif in town fafo
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:51 am to Bunk Moreland
Did the USSC not reinforce the President’s authority on these and similar matters when Trump put in place his travel ban due to COVID and he was similarly sued?
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:52 am to AggieHank86
Khalil's attorney.
quote:LINK
Cox said that if the State Department has “reasonable ground to believe that a noncitizen’s presence or activities in the country would have serious adverse foreign policy consequences, then that person is deportable, and so even a green card holder can be deportable on those grounds.”
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:54 am to Jbird
Glenn stirring the pot.
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:55 am to stout
quote:
Impeach these judges
you're an idiot
freedom of speech is freedom of speech
the kid can say anything he or she feels like saying
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:55 am to Bunk Moreland
For those interested in a more detailed legal explanation, Mahmoud Khalil is also deportable for another reason:
Khalil is a spokesman for an organization that supports armed resistance by Hamas.
That makes him deportable pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(4)(B).That provision in the statute allows the deportation of even lawful permanent residents who are "representative[s]" of a "political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity.” 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)(aa)-(bb); see also id. at (B)(v) (“representative” defined as including “an officer, official, or spokesman of an organization.") Columbia University Apartheid Divestment (“CUAD”) supports armed resistance by Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization.
See Sharon Otterman, Pro-Palestinian Group at Columbia Now Backs Armed Resistance by Hamas, N.Y. Times (Oct. 9, 2024), LINK (CUAD supports armed resistance by Hamas).
Mahmoud Khalil is a spokesman for CUAD. See LINK (“Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia student on the CUAD negotiating team.”).Too many intelligent people on this platform are misstating the law and the facts for political purposes. It's time to prioritize the law and student safety and support the deportation of those who violate both.-@Joelmpetlin
Khalil is a spokesman for an organization that supports armed resistance by Hamas.
That makes him deportable pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(4)(B).That provision in the statute allows the deportation of even lawful permanent residents who are "representative[s]" of a "political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity.” 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)(aa)-(bb); see also id. at (B)(v) (“representative” defined as including “an officer, official, or spokesman of an organization.") Columbia University Apartheid Divestment (“CUAD”) supports armed resistance by Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization.
See Sharon Otterman, Pro-Palestinian Group at Columbia Now Backs Armed Resistance by Hamas, N.Y. Times (Oct. 9, 2024), LINK (CUAD supports armed resistance by Hamas).
Mahmoud Khalil is a spokesman for CUAD. See LINK (“Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia student on the CUAD negotiating team.”).Too many intelligent people on this platform are misstating the law and the facts for political purposes. It's time to prioritize the law and student safety and support the deportation of those who violate both.-@Joelmpetlin
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:58 am to AggieHank86
So do I. But your presumption of the facts on the issue is what I call in to question. Very peculiar view of the world. Something I’m sure you’ve been told often.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 8:26 am
Posted on 3/11/25 at 8:00 am to Jbird
quote:
eporting legal residents solely for expressing their political opinions is a violation of free speech rights. Who's next? Citizens?
It's past time to align the Constitution to more to citizens and less to non-citizens.
If membership doesn't have privileges then it doesn't mean anything.
Being a citizen should be meaningful.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 8:01 am to Jbird
If im reading correctly looks like Liberal Hank just got nuked from this thread
Posted on 3/11/25 at 8:05 am to AggieHank86
quote:
look, this is not difficult.
This guy was on camera nearly continuously for two months. It should be a simple matter to post a clip of him saying something positive or supportive of Hamas.
Please do so.
This is all I'm asking for. Look, I'm all a go-go when it comes to deporting this guy. Just show me first. That's all.
The fact of the matter is that he's a legal, permanent resident with an American wife and baby on the way.
He has the full on support of Columbia University and to my knowledge, not one single criminal charge has been filed against this guy. Columbia University has filed no charges and no individual charges have been filed against him by any of these Jewish students he's alleged to have abused.
I can't find one single link, reputable, disreputable or otherwise that shows he openly supported Hamas. He never occupied one single building on Columbia's campus. He was an active leader of the pro-Palestinian movement and mediated between the building occupiers and University administration.
This fricking guy isn't going anywhere. He's a legal, permanent resident with an American wife and baby on the way. This was the wrong guy to make an example out of. Yes, he could be deported. No, it won't happen.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 8:05 am to Jbird
refreshing to see someone actually trying to discuss real facts. Kudos
Section 1227 has been on the list of potential bases for deportation since the first thread regarding this guy.
so, again, exactly what did THIS guy do, which gave the government a "reasonable basis" for believing that he supports terrorism?
Section 1227 has been on the list of potential bases for deportation since the first thread regarding this guy.
so, again, exactly what did THIS guy do, which gave the government a "reasonable basis" for believing that he supports terrorism?
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 8:13 am
Posted on 3/11/25 at 8:06 am to Jbird
quote:
that supports armed resistance by Hamas.
that's more than a bit entertaining, since the Central American and Mexican drug cartels have been operating and killing on our side of the border, and nothing is done about it
but somehow some college students supposedly yells something (which is not proven), then all hell must come down on some dudes on the other side of the mother fricking planet
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