re: Joe Rogan is concerned about the "innocent gay hairdressers - lumped up with the gangs."

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They still have the allowance of having lawyers review their case

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So what? They don't have any effective remedy. The State Department has done this in a clever way to avoid any effective legal scrutiny. With Khalil and Ozturk, his green card and her visa were revoked without notice which immediately made them (through no fault of their own) illegal aliens with almost no legal protections.

Look up the Palmer raids and stop being a pussy.

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They are not citizens, who gives a frick. You think if a US Citizen went to study in Turkey and said they protested they would remain there.

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So we should use Turkey as our model of governance? Our Constitution and its Bill of Rights make us the greatest country in the world.

It's a murky question about whether or not non-citizens have Constitutional protections:

Article I, Section 8, Clause 18:

[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

In 1903, the Court in the Japanese Immigrant Case reviewed the legality of deporting an alien who had lawfully entered the United States, clarifying that an alien who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population could not be deported without an opportunity to be heard upon the questions involving his right to be and remain in the United States.1 In the decades that followed, the Supreme Court maintained the notion that once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders.2

Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.3 The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.4 Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.5 Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.6

Yet the Supreme Court has also suggested that the extent of due process protection may vary depending upon [the alien’s] status and circumstance.7 In various opinions, the Court has suggested that at least some of the constitutional protections to which an alien is entitled may turn upon whether the alien has been admitted into the United States or developed substantial ties to this country.8 Thus, while the Court has recognized that due process considerations may constrain the Federal Government’s exercise of its immigration power, there is some uncertainty regarding the extent to which these constraints apply with regard to aliens within the United States.

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These 3 out of 238 Venezuelans who are allegedly innocent are getting their day in court. The system is working. They just have to sit tight in El Salvador for a minute while it works.

After seeing the lunatics on the left cheer throwing thousands of people in prison with no due process for literal trespassing I say they can go frick themselves.

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Working backwards, I have been accused of being a liberal because I oppose dragging legally-present noncitizens off the streets for writing op-eds opposing Israeli policy. I think almost all of the J6 persecutions and lawfare against President Trump were unconstitutional.
I care about the Constitution and its application to ALL people subject to the jurisdiction of the United States regardless of whether I like them or agree with them. Without the Constitution, how do you suggest we govern the country...according to the whim of whoever is in power?

As to the application of the Constitution to noncitizens, it's slightly murky. The Constitution protects "PERSONS subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" not just "citizens." Once noncitizens who are present are converted into illegal aliens by the revocation of their visas, I think courts will conclude that they don't have all the due process rights conferred to American citizens.

As to the people we sent to El Salvador, WHICH court will they have their "day in?" They are no longer subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

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Don't hang around with illegals, or criminals, or, worse, illegals who are criminals.

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Uh, if you are here illegally then you already are a criminal.

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Well for starters, wasn’t Venezuela refusing to take them.

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I'm guessing part of the reason Venezuela wouldn't take them is bc they are......gasp......a bunch of gang members. Pretty good sign that we shouldn't let them stay here either

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So if some gay hairdresser got caught up in this, how did it happen? What was he doing associated with TDA?

I find it hard to believe, and even harder to believe he was totally innocent - he was associating with the gang at a minimum

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If you read the specifics, this appears to be a bad case. It looks like a very low IQ dude at DHS said "any tattoo with a crown is TDA". This guy has a crown on each wrist. Under one it says MOM and the other DAD. This is hardly a rigorous test for gang affiliation. That said, he showed up and said "I need asylum", he's from Venezuela. He looks gay. I'm sure he acts gay. Not many videos of TDA acting like gay makeup artists. The tattoo test is moronic in this instance. He should have been put a on plane to Venezuela, not sent to CECOT. They published his interview reports and he refutes gang affiliation multiple times. It's just the tattoos that they used to send him to CECOT. All they need to do is call El Salvador, tell them to yank him out, put him on a plane to Venezuela, put some money in his pocket to get him going back home, send us the bill, done deal.

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For the record, I hate the case with the Turkish girl based on what we know.

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Meh, shite happens. And ounce of prevention..yada,Yada. If she doesn't like it, she can always go back to Turkey. I'm sure they will respect her voice.

When in a foreign country, tread lightly.

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If you read the specifics, this appears to be a bad case.

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Do you think we'll ever see the specifics on any other cases?

I'm all for deporting anyone who's in the US illegally. To have an indefinite detention in a foreign SUPER max prison, I hope there's adequate proof of criminality beyond tattoos.