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Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:04 pm to BigJim
Never would I have expected to see BigJim trying to explain how wrong Bobby Jindal is on an issue. Hell, I would have figured BigJim was some Jindal staffer whose responsibilities included scanning the blogs and media posting comments to explain why his boss's positions were always correct.
This has been fun as of late. To me, though, it was expected Jindal would eventually act this way on the CC issue in order to stake whatever the national conservative opinion is for 2016.
Stelly tax cut lies; being pressured into going back on his word to legislators regarding the pay raise bill (I'm glad he did veto it, but he had promised them we wouldn't in exchange for education reform votes); endorsing John Alario for Senate President; now throwing anyone he can under the bus over this Common Core stuff
This has been fun as of late. To me, though, it was expected Jindal would eventually act this way on the CC issue in order to stake whatever the national conservative opinion is for 2016.
Stelly tax cut lies; being pressured into going back on his word to legislators regarding the pay raise bill (I'm glad he did veto it, but he had promised them we wouldn't in exchange for education reform votes); endorsing John Alario for Senate President; now throwing anyone he can under the bus over this Common Core stuff
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:15 pm to Choctaw
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there's gonna be alot of pissed off parents when their kids come home and ask them for help with their homework
THeir kids should take personal responsibility and do their own homework. I never needed asked for or received help for mine. Why can't everyone be just like me?
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 7/20/14 at 4:27 pm to I B Freeman
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Who can argue with that logic?? If I were in denial like you are I would be a Jindal supporter too.
Graph all you want a hole. Our country has done better than all. We have brilliant men who learned in our system, Gates, Jobs, etc. We have the best economic system in the world and more Fortune 500 companies than anywhere.
We did all that and became the greatest country on Earth! Every bit of it was done without common core.
What about NASA? Crazy we lead the world in innovation since the founding of the country, yet idiots like you think a graph on math scores is Hindi g us back. You DO NOT have to be a math wizard to be successful.
Read your fricking graph and you tell me which country you would rather live in than America!
Jackass!
Posted on 7/20/14 at 4:44 pm to GeeOH
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We have brilliant men who learned in our system, Gates, Jobs, etc. We have the best economic system in the world and more Fortune 500 companies than anywhere.
We did all that and became the greatest country on Earth! Every bit of it was done without common core.
Of course Gates and most of those fortune 500 companies support Common Core.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 5:03 pm to BigJim
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Of course Gates and most of those fortune 500 companies support Common Core.
Randomly give them an advanced common core problem and I bet it all that none can correctly complete the steps...you know why, they didn't have to learn it and all did ok.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 5:22 pm to GeeOH
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GeeOH
You come off as one angry little tool.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 6:45 pm to ragincajun03
Not angry...passionate maybe....lol
It does big me however that someone would take their time trying to bash a person who has put Louisiana in great position to be an economic boom in a time where others are being economically devastated by the times.
Someone is really gonna nitpick about a math course and use that against BJ? Wow! I'm no hater or liver, I like results.
If course politicians will always have to play the game on some issues, but as long as it's taking care of the state first, I could care less. Our country has grown great minds and is a world leader in innovation, economics, exploration, technology, etc. We accomplished all that without beating S Korea in a math contest.
Education needs to be fixed. Parents need to parent and the schools need to teach and run efficiently. Math isn't holding Louisiana or America back, bureaucracy is..
That guy can't see the forest thru the trees...it's aggravating as help why someone is so damn myopic
It does big me however that someone would take their time trying to bash a person who has put Louisiana in great position to be an economic boom in a time where others are being economically devastated by the times.
Someone is really gonna nitpick about a math course and use that against BJ? Wow! I'm no hater or liver, I like results.
If course politicians will always have to play the game on some issues, but as long as it's taking care of the state first, I could care less. Our country has grown great minds and is a world leader in innovation, economics, exploration, technology, etc. We accomplished all that without beating S Korea in a math contest.
Education needs to be fixed. Parents need to parent and the schools need to teach and run efficiently. Math isn't holding Louisiana or America back, bureaucracy is..
That guy can't see the forest thru the trees...it's aggravating as help why someone is so damn myopic
Posted on 7/20/14 at 7:45 pm to GeeOH
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Education needs to be fixed. Parents need to parent and the schools need to teach and run efficiently. Math isn't holding Louisiana or America back, bureaucracy is..
Well I support converting to an all voucher system and ending bureaucracy altogether.
I took the third grade math test in the link I provided and anyone that is against having as a goal a state full of third graders that can pass that test is not concerned about education.
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It does big me however that someone would take their time trying to bash a person who has put Louisiana in great position to be an economic boom in a time where others are being economically devastated by the times.
Bobby Jindal has done NOTHING to put the state in the economic position it is in. I can make the case his corporate welfare of picking and choosing winner has held the state back.
Nobody can say Bobby Jindal has taken care of the state before his career ever. There have been times perhaps that what was important to his career happened to be good for the state but foremost in his mind is his career.
You can go to New Hampshire with him to the chili cookoff and report back to us what he does there that puts the state first.
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Randomly give them an advanced common core problem and I bet it all that none can correctly complete the steps...you know why, they didn't have to learn it and all did ok.
If you can't do the math in the practice test I posted the link too I understand how you came to think like you do.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 7/20/14 at 9:02 pm to I B Freeman
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“Procurement law is designed to protect taxpayers and it must be followed,” according to the statement.
Lol. If people only knew.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:36 am to I B Freeman
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I B Freeman
You just are a hater of BJ. There's nothing else to say. Louisiana is not 'held back"!
In on breath you say he's not responsible at all for us being in GREAT economic position to be one of the top states in America, but yet he would be directly responsible if we were held back.
He's been in there many years and what is happening now is a tremendous time for Louisiana and it's people.
Do you work? Do you have a job? Do you pay taxes? If yes, however in the hell did you accomplish that without common core math?
We aren't behind those countries in your math grade graphs in any way except those math grades...who cares, we are still demolishing them economically on the world stage. Changing the type of math is NOT at the top of the list of priorities. It does NOT guarantee more success in any way!
And no, I didn't look at the third grade test, why would I? I'll bet you any amount of money in the world that my 4th grader could get the correct answers her way as well as the CC way....what's your point.
Don't prove to me CC works and can be used efficiently...prove to me that it is a better way to arrive at the same correct answer. How would it improve my day?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 12:30 pm to GeeOH
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You just are a hater of BJ. There's nothing else to say. Louisiana is not 'held back"!
In on breath you say he's not responsible at all for us being in GREAT economic position to be one of the top states in America, but yet he would be directly responsible if we were held back.
He's been in there many years and what is happening now is a tremendous time for Louisiana and it's people.
It's easy to focus on IB, but I listed, multiple times, the other people that are calling out the governor on this issue. Sadow had another blog post on this today.
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Do you work? Do you have a job? Do you pay taxes? If yes, however in the hell did you accomplish that without common core math?
We aren't behind those countries in your math grade graphs in any way except those math grades...who cares, we are still demolishing them economically on the world stage. Changing the type of math is NOT at the top of the list of priorities. It does NOT guarantee more success in any way!
And no, I didn't look at the third grade test, why would I? I'll bet you any amount of money in the world that my 4th grader could get the correct answers her way as well as the CC way....what's your point.
Don't prove to me CC works and can be used efficiently...prove to me that it is a better way to arrive at the same correct answer. How would it improve my day?
You really sound like a teacher union rep. Change out Common Core to: school vouchers, tenure reform, teacher evaluation reform, LEAP testing, etc.
Basically you are arguing for the the status quo: "We don't need any of this here new-fangled (fill in the blank education reform) because our national economy is fine and dandy and I didn't learn it this way when I was a youngin'!"
Were you opposed to Jindal when he was pushing for Common Core only 2 years ago?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 2:06 pm to I B Freeman
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I really don't see why we would need to spend anything to implement CC standards in our school. Show the teachers what you intend to test on and then give them the freedom and the responsibility to teach it. I took the third grade math test and I will say I really did like the logic they expected kids to be taught.
Here is the problem with Common Core that you can't tell from that 3rd grade math test that you keep mentioning. Common Core tells the teachers how to teach, and the way they teach subtraction is worlds different than what has been the standard. Parents won't be able to help with homework without re-learning basic math the way it will be taught. I got a little hint of it with the question that was about adding 2 numbers. I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was something like 465 + 228, and the correct answer was 400 + 200 + 60 + 20 + 5 + 8. They will be teaching to break it down into that manner, then you get 600 + 80 + 13, then 693.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 2:27 pm to CubsFanBudMan
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I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was something like 465 + 228, and the correct answer was 400 + 200 + 60 + 20 + 5 + 8. They will be teaching to break it down into that manner, then you get 600 + 80 + 13, then 693.
Which is exactly how I think about numbers. Column addition is all my kids were taught and without a calculator they can't add more than two numbers with two digits and both are smart. In business deals you got to be able to know the numbers quickly.
I don't know how I came to think like you just described but I don't remember ever trying to put numbers on top of each other in my head and adding and substracting. Somewhere in elementary school they had to have taught you got this many hundreds, this many tens this many ones ect. for me to think like that.
It is a good thing and there is nothing wrong or complicated about teaching to add like that.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 2:38 pm to I B Freeman
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It is a good thing and there is nothing wrong or complicated about teaching to add like that.
So you're saying it's ok to force teachers to teach addition this way? Earlier you said that teachers should be able to teach on their own as long as they are teaching to the standards that are set.
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In business deals you got to be able to know the numbers quickly.
That's why business deals are calculated in Excel or with a calculator.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:21 pm to CubsFanBudMan
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So you're saying it's ok to force teachers to teach addition this way? Earlier you said that teachers should be able to teach on their own as long as they are teaching to the standards that are set.
Even if you are right and this isn't the best way to teach math (and I am not conceding that) that should be decided by BESE and to a lesser degree the legislature. There was a bill that delayed Common Core for a year in the legislature, but Jindal VETOED IT!
Now he is using what should be a neutral, bureaucratic process to push his political agenda. I think it is very similar to using the IRS to attack your political enemies. The IRS's actions turned my stomach and this should turn yours.
Even if you hate Common Core, I submit that the damage to the procurement process is far worse than anything Common Core will do.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:32 pm to I B Freeman
You've convinced me. Bobby Jindal is evil because you don't like math. My question. What should we do about Bobby Jindal? This is multiple choice so I'm sure you can handle it:
a. Impeach him
b. Cut off his right hand with a semitar
c. Take him hostage and trade him for 3 Somali Pirates and a player to be named later.
d. Take his wife hostage and make him wear a bra on his head for a month to get her free.
e. Sentence him to being head coach of the Tulane football team for five years.
If you can think of a more harsh punishment for his iniquity feel free.
a. Impeach him
b. Cut off his right hand with a semitar
c. Take him hostage and trade him for 3 Somali Pirates and a player to be named later.
d. Take his wife hostage and make him wear a bra on his head for a month to get her free.
e. Sentence him to being head coach of the Tulane football team for five years.
If you can think of a more harsh punishment for his iniquity feel free.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:35 pm to BigJim
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Even if you are right and this isn't the best way to teach math (and I am not conceding that) that should be decided by BESE and to a lesser degree the legislature. There was a bill that delayed Common Core for a year in the legislature, but Jindal VETOED IT!
Now he is using what should be a neutral, bureaucratic process to push his political agenda. I think it is very similar to using the IRS to attack your political enemies. The IRS's actions turned my stomach and this should turn yours.
Even if you hate Common Core, I submit that the damage to the procurement process is far worse than anything Common Core will do.
I'm not defending Jindal's methods, I was just trying to point out that I.B. doesn't know everything about Common Core, and just because he thinks that 3rd graders should be able to pass the practice test he took doesn't mean it is a great system to go to. The original idea behind Common Core was great, however, it has transformed into something not so great.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:39 pm to Zach
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Zach
Unable to have any reasonable discussion regarding anything to do with Bobby Jindal.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 4:12 pm to ragincajun03
I'm into eclecticism. I'm sure you don't even know what that means. I.B. is a one trick pony. Bobby Jindal. All day, every day. It's boring and mindless. If you want to hate on Jindal have at it. But give me your solution. I've offered several options. Can't pick one? Well, write another.
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