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re: Jindal trying to paint BESE as corrupt as a way out of his two faced stand on CC

Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:53 pm to
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21225 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:53 pm to
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Short story, looks like Jindal is gearing up to smear White.



Of course he (or his team is). That's what this administration does. White and the BESE members who went to the wall for Jindal's education reforms, which I'm glad they did, will now be thrown under the bus for wanting to stick with the plans HE sold them on.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:54 pm to
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Short story, looks like Jindal is gearing up to smear White


that is exactly what he is doing.

Look I don't want another no child left behind deal where one year the law said teach to the Iowa test and all the performance bonuses ect. will be based on that. Well when that revealed how far behind we were we simply changed the test.

I don't see a heavy-handed fed behind this common core. It appears a lot of the testing and standards arose from research and work by private money.

Jindal was a HUGE supporter of it until the conservative talking heads and teacher's unions started whining.

Unlike any other poster here I believe, I went to the PARCC site and took the third grade test. I favor teaching to that level and I particular like the emphasis on critical thinking implied in answering questions on the test.

What I hate about this controversy here in Louisiana is that Jindal is throwing his own man, John White, under the bus for nothing but political brownie points on a national basis with SOME conservatives.

Like a mafia boss there is no means to the ends he desires he will not do.

He really is a disgusting man.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98181 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:56 pm to
That's rich. The cynical SOB stacked the BESE board with his hand picked people, now he's claiming they're the problem.
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
14335 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:04 pm to
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BESE member Jane Smith
Joan Rivers twin sister.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:08 pm to
Hey Choctaw watch this film clip--somewhere after the 3 minute mark

LINK
Posted by BeaverPRO
Tampa
Member since Aug 2009
16250 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:32 pm to
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I don't see a heavy-handed fed behind this common core


quote:

The U. S. Department of Education said in a letter to Indiana Superintendent of Public Instruction Glenda Ritz that the state must prove its own standards are just as challenging, or else risk of losing its waiver from the Bush-era No Child Left Behind law and have its federal funding in jeopardy.


Your right that doesn't seem heavy handed at all.

LINK

LINK

Posted by sportjunkie69
Member since Nov 2012
2145 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:56 pm to
I will leave this here. Says a lot about why conservatives are so afraid of public education and do everything they can to defund, devalue and demonize it.

Jindal has done nothing to move education forward…unless you feel non-science like Creationism and Intelligent Design - should be taught in public schools. I believe that was one of the first things he did after getting elected the first time. Yay Jindal.

The Most Educated States Vote for Barack Obama
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 3:45 pm to
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The U. S. Department of Education said in a letter to Indiana Superintendent of Public Instruction Glenda Ritz that the state must prove its own standards are just as challenging, or else risk of losing its waiver from the Bush-era No Child Left Behind law and have its federal funding in jeopardy.


You and the Blaze are taking that out of context. Indiana had a waiver under no child left behing because of their intended use of Common Core instaed of the mandated testing required under no child left behind. Since they are opting out of Common Core they must come up with a test that is suitable--ie La Leap Test. Common Core is not linked to no child left behind funding per se---testing is and Common Core testing and lots of other testing evidentily can qualify.



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"States didn't have to adopt the Common Core in order to get a federal waiver from the mandates of the No Child Left Behind Act," Education Week notes. "Instead, they simply have to adopt standards that will get students ready for college or the workforce. Common core counts, but a state can also use standards that have gotten the seal of approval from its post-secondary institutions. (Virginia, for example, went this route.)" "Importantly, however, Indiana isn't being placed on 'high risk,' as Washington was, and as Arizona, Kansas, and Oregon are," Education Week adds.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 4:17 pm
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14491 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 3:54 pm to
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You and the Blaze are taking that out of context. Indiana had a waiver under no child left behing because of their intended use of Common Core instaed of the mandated testing required under no child left behind. Since they are opting out of No Child Left Behind they must come up with a test that is suitable--ie La Leap Test. Common Core is not linked to no child left behind funding per se---testing is and Common Core testing and lots of other testing evidentily can qualify.


That is correct.

Look, I understand those that think this is just typical Jindal bashing. It is not. Look the people and groups that are opposing Jindal on this front:

-CABL
-LABI (including Jindal's former chief of staff)
-Right wing Advocate opinion columnist Quin Hillyer
-Right wing blogger Jeff Sadow
[to be fair Hillyer and Sadow aren't opposed to Common Core, just Jindal's handling of the situation)

And on the other hand you have Union groups opposing Common Core.

This is not a rabble, rabble issue.

And it is going to get a LOT uglier.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 4:05 pm to
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That is correct.

Look, I understand those that think this is just typical Jindal bashing. It is not. Look the people and groups that are opposing Jindal on this front:

-CABL
-LABI (including Jindal's former chief of staff)
-Right wing Advocate opinion columnist Quin Hillyer
-Right wing blogger Jeff Sadow
[to be fair Hillyer and Sadow aren't opposed to Common Core, just Jindal's handling of the situation)

And on the other hand you have Union groups opposing Common Core.

This is not a rabble, rabble issue.

And it is going to get a LOT uglier


It's a big deal when film subsidy advocate and general Jindal apologist BigJim gets this rankled over Jindal.

Education is near and dear to Mr. BigJim but I wll remind him that this is not the first issue in the Jindal administration where career importance went before Louisiana citizens.

(BTW just what is a rabble, rabble issue???)

Oh--how do you like how the former DHH's medicaid contract Jindal signed is going??? Jindal's appointed man directed it to his former employers and now Jindal wants to whine about White.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 4:07 pm to
One more thing---if this results in White leaving I hope on the way out he mentions that he does not have any family working for Gibson Dunn the major film industry law firm.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79663 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 4:09 pm to
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One more thing---if this results in White leaving I hope on the way out he mentions that he does not have any family working for Gibson Dunn the major film industry law firm.



Aaaaannnndddd there it is.

Still miffed that you can't get that screenplay sold, huh?

Or was it that you can't get a speaking part?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 4:15 pm to
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Still miffed


Yes I am miffed that corruption is all around our governor. Most of it not for monetary gain but for power and career gain.

For Jindal to talk about White being corrupt really pisses me off and it should you too.

You can stay in love with this narcissistic bozo we call Jindal but he is not a conservative nor is he a good man. Speaks to your own reputation to stand with him.

I thought my threads were boring? I guess they are easier for you than starting one on Jindal's positive accomplishments for conservative government? Haven't seen that thread yet.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79663 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 4:20 pm to
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I thought my threads were boring?



As I said, I just like fricking with your boring, absolutely humorless arse.

Go get yourself laid. Or maybe some more fiber in your diet. Or both.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 4:21 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 4:26 pm to
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As I said, I just like fricking with your boring, absolutely humorless arse.

Go get yourself laid. Or maybe some more fiber in your diet. Or both.


If TD let me pick my own debate opponents I could not do better than you and Choctaw.

Bobby and Timmy are proud of you both.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 4:27 pm
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79663 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 4:27 pm to
As I said...you need to get yourself laid. Or take a good dump.
Posted by OLDBEACHCOMBER
Member since Jan 2004
7189 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 4:33 pm to
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I don't see a heavy-handed fed behind this common core


WOW, I can't believe you had the balls to type that.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 4:50 pm to
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I don't see a heavy-handed fed behind this common core


WOW, I can't believe you had the balls to type that


It's not oldbeachcomber

There is no federal mandate of common core. There are the race to the top grants that some states moving to common core are getting but common core in and of itself does not necessarily mean they get the grants.

The truth is the heave handedness came in the Bush program "no Child Left Behind" that requires testing--thus the leap test in Louisiana. It does have a bunch of money attached to it.

Common Core testing can meet the NCLB testing standard but it does not have to be.

Nobody here is more of a small government advocate than IB but a lot of this CC talk is WAY WAY overblown.

Just go take the test I linked too. I don't see why we have to spend an additional dime to teach to the standards in those test. I took the third grade math test.
Posted by lsutiger1fan
Monroe
Member since Dec 2005
132 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:30 pm to
Some of you discussing Common Core need to take the time and read Mercedes Schnieder's, Diane Ravitch's, Crazy Crawfish's or Louisiana Educator's blog. It is all about money. Pearson is making a ton of money off all of this. You cannot count on The Advocate to give correct information. I am an educator of 30 years. I have been a teacher,librarian, principal and now a supervisor. Not everything is terrible about Common Core, but the K-2 standards are not developmentally appropriate. Major early childhood experts have come out against them. Educators need to be involved in creating more rigorous standards , not a Governor's association.
Also I know some of you make fun of people who never post. Go ahead. But was reading these comments and people need to do more research. Probably last post for a while.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 8:33 pm
Posted by Elcid96
Member since May 2010
5465 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:39 pm to
So much ignorance, so little time.
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