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re: Jesus was from Nazareth
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:17 am to Azkiger
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:17 am to Azkiger
quote:He is God almighty with the prerogative to do with His own creations as He sees fit. And as God, He is worthy of all praise and glory. He is not a narcissist because a narcissist seeks undue focus and attention. The God of creation is due all attention and glory as the only perfect being.
Correct, he is a child killing narcissist. Or, more accurately, nonexistent.
And as I have noted time and time again, if God did not exist, any condemnation of anything as immoral would be irrational on your part, since there would be no basis for objective morality, and therefore no meaningful way to speak about “good” and “evil” actions outside of your own personal preferences. So, if you are right about God, then you have no basis for saying even the claims about God are objectively evil.
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Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:18 am to Errerrerrwere
Errerrerrwere, I’m not trying to argue—just to clarify something historically.
Jesus was Jewish by birth, practice, and identity. He was circumcised, observed Passover and Sabbath, taught in synagogues, and quoted the Hebrew Scriptures. Christianity didn’t exist during His lifetime; it emerged later from His Jewish followers.
As for the Temple, the Second Temple was completed in 516 BC and stood throughout Jesus’ life. It was expanded by Herod the Great and wasn’t destroyed until 70 AD. Jesus taught there and even predicted its destruction, which only makes sense if it was still standing.
You’re free to disagree theologically, but historically these points are well established across Christian, Jewish, and secular scholarship. I just wanted to offer that clarification respectfully.
Jesus was Jewish by birth, practice, and identity. He was circumcised, observed Passover and Sabbath, taught in synagogues, and quoted the Hebrew Scriptures. Christianity didn’t exist during His lifetime; it emerged later from His Jewish followers.
As for the Temple, the Second Temple was completed in 516 BC and stood throughout Jesus’ life. It was expanded by Herod the Great and wasn’t destroyed until 70 AD. Jesus taught there and even predicted its destruction, which only makes sense if it was still standing.
You’re free to disagree theologically, but historically these points are well established across Christian, Jewish, and secular scholarship. I just wanted to offer that clarification respectfully.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:19 am to RoyalWe
I appreciate it Royalwe 
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:22 am to FooManChoo
quote:
He is God almighty with the prerogative to do with His own creations as He sees fit
Translation: yeah, he's a child killer.
Think he's the most prolific child killer in human history?
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:25 am to Azkiger
quote:The death of children is a tragedy—Scripture never treats it lightly.
Think he's the most prolific child killer in human history?
But reducing God to a caricature misses what Jesus actually revealed about Him. Jesus described God as a Father who grieves over loss, who numbers every hair on a child’s head, and who weeps at death—even when He knows resurrection is coming.
The Bible doesn’t present death as God’s pleasure, but as the consequence of a broken world that humans repeatedly choose. Jesus never blamed God for human violence; He confronted human hearts and called people to repentance, mercy, and humility.
And when God wanted to show who He truly was, He didn’t send destruction—He came Himself, unarmed, and allowed human evil to kill Him rather than return it.
If Jesus is the clearest picture of God, then whatever else we debate, God is not revealed as a child-killer, but as One who enters suffering to defeat it.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:27 am to RoyalWe
So why kill children when there were more peaceful ways to solve whatever problem he faced?
Take Noah's flood for example.
Take Noah's flood for example.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:30 am to Errerrerrwere
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Is it important for the Christian faith to understand these simple and factual interpretations in today's political climate? Where we, Christians, are somehow being trauma bonded by the Jewish faith?
You have a problem with the Jews? Jesus, by every anthropological metric, was a Jew...
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:31 am to Azkiger
quote:That question assumes God is a human decision-maker choosing between tactical options. Jesus never framed God that way.
So why kill children when there were more peaceful ways to solve whatever problem he faced?
When people asked Him why others died in disasters, He rejected the idea that tragedy proves God’s cruelty. Instead, He said a broken world produces death, violence, and judgment—and that the right response isn’t accusation, but humility and repentance.
The flood story isn’t presented as God casually killing children, but as a world so saturated with violence that human life itself was collapsing. Scripture treats that outcome as tragic, not celebratory.
And Jesus didn’t ask people to start by explaining ancient judgments—He asked them to look at who God is now, and how we live in light of that.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:32 am to RoyalWe
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The flood story isn’t presented as God casually killing children, but as a world so saturated with violence that human life itself was collapsing
There was a way to reset the world without killing people.
Therefore killing people is senseless.
So why did God kill people?
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:33 am to VOR
quote:
You have a problem with the Jews? Jesus, by every anthropological metric, was a Jew...
No. Not Jews. With the sect of people who commit heresy trying to convince me that Christians have to support the Israeli nation of Bibi.
I don't think Christ would want that at all. And those saying that it is my Christian duty to do so; are heretics.
That's all.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:33 am to Azkiger
quote:God has ordained the lives and deaths of every creature that will ever live.
Translation: yeah, he's a child killer.
Think he's the most prolific child killer in human history?
Given that you don’t believe in God, and therefore you don’t believe in an objective moral standard, how can you say anything is “evil” at all, even God moving the soul of one of one of His own creations from this earth to another place?
In your atheism, all people are equally worthless by default. There is no purpose or plan for anyone, and certainly no inherent value or dignity for anyone. Children are no more precious in a world of chance than adults, and people are no more valuable than turtles or rocks or trees. You might not like when a child dies, but you have no reason to say such a thing is bad or evil, because there is no such thing as evil in a world that you believe exists; only unpleasantness that may or may not be felt.
You can take your emotional argument about child killing somewhere else, because your own worldview precludes the idea that a person killing a child is wrong, much less God who has authority to do as He pleases for the good of His people and His own glory.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:37 am to Errerrerrwere
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No. Not Jews. With the sect of people who commit heresy trying to convince me that Christians have to support the Israeli nation of Bibi. I don't think Christ would want that at all. And those saying that it is my Christian duty to do so; are heretics. That's all.
You are so full of shite.
If all you cared about was policy with Israel you wouldn’t start a thread saying Jesus wasn’t Jewish.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:37 am to Errerrerrwere
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After the temple was destroyed they literally had none. It wasn't built again until long after the crucifixion of Christ.
You have never read any of the history provided quite plainly in the OT, regarding the Babylonian captivity, the destruction of the first temple built by Solomon, the return under Nehemiah and the construction of the second temple, and the very provable fact that after the second temple was razed in AD 69-70 it has NOT been rebuilt. No temple has been built AFTER the crucifixion and resurrection.
I've never seen anyone double down so hard after being so provably wrong on anything like this in my life. I truly think you may need to see a mental health professional about this problem that is manifesting with your inability to perceive reality.
Insofar as to whether Jesus was a Jew - did you skip over all the "begats" providing HIs lineage from Adam through Abraham and then through David generation by generation, or are you incapable of following a logical and linear line of thought?
At some point in your life to have to put the hallucigens away!
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:39 am to Azkiger
quote:The issue isn’t whether alternatives can be imagined; it’s the standard being applied.
There was a way to reset the world without killing people.
Therefore killing people is senseless.
So why did God kill people?
Your conclusion assumes that if a less harmful option is conceivable, then any lethal outcome is necessarily senseless. That’s a modern utilitarian premise. Jesus didn’t reason that way—He rejected “better alternative” logic when people tried to interpret deaths as proof of divine failure.
His framework treats catastrophe not as a problem to optimize, but as evidence of a world already disordered by human violence and corruption. If only optimization-based explanations count, then a Christ-like answer will never satisfy, because it addresses a different question.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:41 am to Azkiger
quote:Genesis 6:5-7, "The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the Lord said, 'I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.'" This sets the stage for the flood as a divine judgment to reset creation due to pervasive evil.
Translation: yeah, he's a child killer.
Think he's the most prolific child killer in human history?
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:42 am to Errerrerrwere
quote:
No. Not Jews. With the sect of people who commit heresy trying to convince me that Christians have to support the Israeli nation of Bibi.
The primary reasons to support Israel are 1) the Judaeo-Christian shared
cultural values and 2) the fact that it is a Western styled democracy and ally located in an area that threatens the existence of such a state...
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:46 am to Swamp Angel
I think the OP is just trying to say that Jesus wouldn't be a Jew in today's world. No, he wouldn't but he also wouldn't be a Christian because he already came which is how Christianity started. When Jesus comes again then the world as we know it is over. However, if the Messiah comes then that means Jews were right and Jesus is not God.
I think the OP needs to let this go. Also in the OT the Jewish people continuously turned away from God countless times and were redirected back to him. What makes you think he would do any different now.
I think the OP needs to let this go. Also in the OT the Jewish people continuously turned away from God countless times and were redirected back to him. What makes you think he would do any different now.
This post was edited on 12/20/25 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:46 am to Azkiger
quote:You are conflating all killing as evil. I imagine you think there are situations where killing is just, such as self-defense.
There was a way to reset the world without killing people.
Therefore killing people is senseless.
So why did God kill people?
One way killing is justified is as a punishment for civil law-breaking, particularly grievous actions of lawlessness like murder. We know it is unjust for someone to be set free with probation or with only a few years of jail time for murder. God is a just judge who condemns all wickedness and evil as a capital crime against His own holiness. He made all people to obey Him perfectly, and to worship Him, and to commune with Him. Our sin goes against what we were created to do and is an offense against the holiness of God, deserving the death penalty.
When God kills, it is not arbitrary and He is not sadistic in doing so. He is executing justice in His own perfect timing, as even one sin deserves death.
The core of your assault against God has at least three major problems: 1) it assumes a concept of objective morality that only exists if God exists, 2) it assumes that God is unjust to destroy His own creation, and 3) it assumes those He destroys are innocent and undeserving of such destruction. You are wrong about all of these things.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:46 am to VOR
quote:
Judaeo-Christian
Define this word. Be specific.
quote:
the fact that it is a Western styled democracy and ally located in an area that threatens the existence of such a state...
The "ally" that gave us false intel about Iraq having WMDs that got our boys maimed and killed? The false intel that blew up one of our Naval ships? Or the ally that never sends one single unit into battle along side us?
That ally? Define ally. Be specific.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:48 am to Errerrerrwere
He was a rabbi.
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