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re: Jeff Sessions Is Right About Cause of the Civil War.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:10 am to AlaTiger
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:10 am to AlaTiger
The cause of the Civil War is a subject that is so complex and its history so long that it's impossible to summarize it in a sound bite, and any person who attempts to reduce it to such a soundbite is woefully ignorant of the entire matter and is affected by some motive that precludes an honest and objective and informed assessment.
I hope that Jeff Sessions isn't as ignorant about the Civil War as this post and his quoted statement portray him as being. I hope he is just giving an answer to appease the ignorant masses who would have a partisan conniption if he gave an honest and informed answer.
I hope that Jeff Sessions isn't as ignorant about the Civil War as this post and his quoted statement portray him as being. I hope he is just giving an answer to appease the ignorant masses who would have a partisan conniption if he gave an honest and informed answer.
This post was edited on 2/13/18 at 9:13 am
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Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:13 am to Chancellor
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The cause of the Civil War is a subject that is so complex and its history so long that it's impossible to summarize it in a sound bite, and any person who attempts to reduce it to such a soundbite is woefully ignorant of the entire matter and is affected by some motive that precludes an honest and objective and informed assessment.
And yet the nation's preeminent historians on the subject can do just that. Slavery led to the secession of the South, while the North's desire to preserve the Union led to the war itself. It is that simple.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:13 am to crazy4lsu
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I'm honestly asking for the reasoning.
The economic issues aren't underlying. Your own quote clearly spells out the primacy of the economics.
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Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce
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a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:14 am to AlaTiger
quote:So now we know he is no better a historian than he is an AG.
Jeff Sessions Is Right About Cause of the Civil War.
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Slavery.
Anyone who says the Civil War (or nearly any war for that matter) had single component cause is a simpleton.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:14 am to rooster108bm
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The problem I do have is how jackasses like you lay all the blame on the south. The Federal government did not have the power to outlaw slavery, even in New states and territories without an amendment to the Constitution. And anyone who thinks that the north gave a rats arse about slaves and slavery, other than for monetary reasons, is a fool.
correct. also the south was taxed into oblivion. lincoln only cared about preserving the union and admitted it. In 1864 CSA secretary of state judah benjamin asked the north if we give up slavery can we still secede? the north said no. now what does that tell you.
how lincoln started the war
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:15 am to rooster108bm
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I have no disagreement with slavery being the cause of the civil war. The problem I do have is how jackasses like you lay all the blame on the south. The Federal government did not have the power to outlaw slavery, even in New states and territories without an amendment to the Constitution. And anyone who thinks that the north gave a rats arse about slaves and slavery, other than for monetary reasons, is a fool.
Forget about slavery. The South was stupid to secede. LOTS of people in the South said so at the time. Lots of Southerners did not want to secede. I blame “the South” a lot less than I blame the idiotic, suicidal, pride-filled, greedy Planter Class who cared nothing for the poor farmers that they were going to send into the carnage of Shiloh, Antietam, and Gettysburg. I don’t glorify the North or think they were so righteous. I’ve studied the Civil War, it’s causes, and effects all my life. I understand what was going on both in the North and the South and no one was innocent. However, the root cause was slavery and how economically tied the wealth of the South was to the practice. The South seceded because they wanted the same and growing prosperity in 1880 and 1890 and they feared that without expansion, they could not continue. It wasn’t because they had to secede in 1860 to survive. They feared what was coming. And, that was stupid and led to their destruction.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:15 am to Chancellor
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The cause of the Civil War is a subject that is so complex
And when you peel back the layers of those complexities, slavery is at the core of them all.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:16 am to NC_Tigah
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Anyone who says the Civil War (or nearly any war for that matter) had single component cause is a simpleton.
He mentioned other causes. Did you you read the article? But, he said that without slavery, none of those other causes would have led to secession and war. And, he is absolutely right.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:17 am to culsutiger
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Your own quote clearly spells out the primacy of the economics.
My quote from the Mississippi articles of secession lays out why slavery was important to the economics. That ties the issues of slavery and economics together in such a way that they aren't distinct at all. They are argued as if they are distinct, when it doesn't seem that is the case at all.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:18 am to RollTide1987
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while the North's desire to preserve the Union led to the war itself. It is that simple.
No it's not that simple. If that's all the north wanted they wouldn't have tried to outlaw slavery.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:21 am to rooster108bm
I took a course called civil war, final exam ? Was why did the south lose? I should have just put down cotton instead of a couple of paragraphs of other reasons.
This post was edited on 2/13/18 at 9:22 am
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:23 am to rooster108bm
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If that's all the north wanted they wouldn't have tried to outlaw slavery.
The abolishment of slavery was not a war aim of the North in 1861.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:23 am to AlaTiger
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Those issues were all solvable and would have been solved.
Slavery would have been solved as well.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:24 am to AlaTiger
quote:No.
Did you you read the article?
I read your characterization of it. Are you saying you mischaracterized it?
quote:. . . and without any of the other causes, slavery would not have led to war.
But, he said that without slavery, none of those other causes would have led to secession and war.
This post was edited on 2/13/18 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:25 am to crazy4lsu
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That ties the issues of slavery and economics together in such a way that they aren't distinct at all.
Yes. Which was the driver? Did the South want to own slaves first and economic prosperity was just a happy side effect? Or was slavery practiced primarily because of the economic benefit?
Was this immoral institution practiced for the sake of immorality, or was morality set aside for economic gain?
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:25 am to AlaTiger
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The South seceded because they wanted the same and growing prosperity in 1880 and 1890 and they feared that without expansion, they could not continue. It wasn’t because they had to secede in 1860 to survive. They feared what was coming. And, that was stupid and led to their destruction.
And you still ignore the unconstitutional actions of the north. Like I said jackass's like you blame it all on the south. If you're a student of the period you're a poor one.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:25 am to AlaTiger
It doesn’t matter what he says.
His name is Jefferson Beauregard and he’s from Alabama. It is irrefutable evidence that he secretly believes in the reinstitutuon of slavery and is a racist.
His name is Jefferson Beauregard and he’s from Alabama. It is irrefutable evidence that he secretly believes in the reinstitutuon of slavery and is a racist.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:26 am to culsutiger
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was morality set aside for economic gain?
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:26 am to AlaTiger
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. I’ve seen so many on this board disagree and laugh at anyone saying the cause of the war was slavery. Glad to see that Sessions is not ignorant on this issue.
He just did it to placate you.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:26 am to culsutiger
The NCAA is modern day slavery.
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