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re: JD Vance: President Trump and I will not stand for it.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:21 am to Jorts R Us
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:21 am to Jorts R Us
You don’t enjoy kicking the hornets nest like I do. 
More like sweat bees really though.
More like sweat bees really though.
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:22 am to roadGator
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You don’t enjoy kicking the hornets nest like I do.
The pandemic reformed me. Once upon a time...
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:57 am to troyt37
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Because they were brilliant visionaries, who couldn't possibly envision citizens who would use every possible means to destroy the country they created, by parsing every syllable in the Constitution.
They didn't envision lawyers in their time?
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They had no way to know that an entire group of their fellow countrymen would embrace and entirely different philosophy, advocating for central planning, an omnipotent federal government, and the trampling of the very rights they just bled and died to earn.
Honestly it was hard to imagine the trump presidency before it happened. Can't blame them for not seeing this coming. Trump ran on law and order, support for textual conditional interpretations....apparently except where it's not convenient for his agenda....
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:00 am to SDVTiger
quote:He still crying about the recent Supreme Court decisions? Haven't seen him much.
Direct hit on SFP
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:10 am to ronricks
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Kilmar Garcia is an Illegal Immigrant who has had a deportation order since 2019. He’s already had due process.
amazing that this salient point gets lost in the fray.
and the lawyers can correct me if i'm wrong, but deportation is not a criminal punishment.
now, i know that due process applies to both criminal and civil cases...but i guess i'm wondering what additional process is due when the united states has idenified that a citizen of a foreign country has entered our country illegally, and we seek to repatriate that foreign ctizen to their home country after the illegal alien appears before an immigration court? it doesn't seem like deportation is inherently a process that threatens the life, liberty, or property of the illegal alien.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:13 am to Bunsbert Montcroff
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i know that due process applies to both criminal and civil cases...but i guess i'm wondering what additional process is due when the united states has idenified that a citizen of a foreign country has entered our country illegally, and we seek to repatriate that foreign ctizen to their home country after the illegal alien appears before an immigration court? it doesn't seem like deportation is inherently a process that threatens the life, liberty, or property of the illegal alien.
Depends on why they are immigrating. If they're a political refugee as an example it absolutely does threaten their life liberty and property here.
During the due process what did the judge order be done with Garcia? Was the result of his trial that he needed to leave or was stay granted for some reason?
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:18 am to oklahogjr
Wrong again
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:20 am to tigerlion
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We talking about the U.S. Constitution for U.S. citizens, or are you referring to a different one?
Are you making up a position that the constitution only applies to citizens? Cause that's not based on any reality.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:25 am to oklahogjr
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Loves America but not the constitution...gotcha
COLLOSSAL stupidity.
The Constitution begins with, "We the People." Not:
- "We the Globe"
- "We the Illegal Immigrants"
Due process is for citizens. Period. If you've trespassed on US soil, you should be forcibly escorted to the border and told not to come back, or else -- do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:29 am to oklahogjr
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Which is pretty terrifying for this of us who love America...
If you voted Democrat in the last 2 decades you don’t love America. You may think you do but you don’t. You don’t want to transform things you love.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:29 am to SUB
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You cannot tailor it to a reasonable level with how we define due process,
I guess thst depends on what you call "reasonable". Due process merely requires Notice and an opportunity to be heard at a fair and impartial hearing, following established rules and procedures.
I think most illegals have zero basis for claiming they should be allowed to stay in the Country, so their hearings would be very short. If someone is claiming mistaken identity, or that they have some legal status allowing them to stay in the country, then they better be able to produce some evidence.
There is no reason for the legal proceeding to take long at all in most cases. Every once in a while there will be disputed facts requiring more time to sort out.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:53 am to oklahogjr
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Are you making up a position that the constitution only applies to citizens? Cause that's not based on any reality
This case is the most simplistic case based on reality. We’re talking about not only an illegal immigrant, but also one with ties to a terrorist organization. MS-13 is designated as so.
You don’t get to keep the money from the bank which you robbed just because you got away with it. It never should have happened in the first place that he enter our country. This particular man is not suddenly afforded the same rights as U.S. citizens as he entered illegally as a terrorist. This is the craziest hill to die on, you insane libs.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:00 am to oklahogjr
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Loves America but not the constitution...gotcha
Look, I know you’re not the brightest bulb. I get that.
But geez, at least try NOT to be a walking, talking cliche’, huh?
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
100% right
He already had a deportation order. There is zero due process needed
In addition, he is a fkn illegal....he has no rights in this country.
I don't know why you guys keep interacting with this clown, calling her an attorney. Ever notice she is on here all day, everyday? You think successful, busy attornies can be doing that?
This is a Lawyer wanna be that has a lot of you fooled. Most likely works in a legal office, if that, as a para.
He already had a deportation order. There is zero due process needed
In addition, he is a fkn illegal....he has no rights in this country.
I don't know why you guys keep interacting with this clown, calling her an attorney. Ever notice she is on here all day, everyday? You think successful, busy attornies can be doing that?
This is a Lawyer wanna be that has a lot of you fooled. Most likely works in a legal office, if that, as a para.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:03 am to Monahans
quote:It is important to note that the Biden administration not only stood for the massive illegal invasion
If you loved America you wouldnt be supporting the government sponsored invasion of our country and you wouldnt have a problem with swiftly removing the invaders.
they also were a fraudulent administration that was ultimately controlled by a foreign power - have a look at the make up of that "admin". After they stole the election from Americans, they immediately began their attacks on liberty, like another "Liberty", a president or two, and 10's of thousands of American boys sent to fight their middle eastern forever wars but didn't come home.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:06 am to LawTalkingGuy
quote:Due process for the invading henchmen, and paid street thugs is all they are
I guess thst depends on what you call "reasonable". Due process
takes attention from the real criminals. See our former "admin" and Homeland Security Director among others
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:15 am to oklahogjr
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They didn't envision lawyers in their time?
Of course. But who could have envisioned lawyers who arbitrarily bestow upon criminal illegals the rights and privileges enshrined in an agreement between “We the People of the United States” and their government?
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Honestly it was hard to imagine the trump presidency before it happened. Can't blame them for not seeing this coming. Trump ran on law and order, support for textual conditional interpretations....apparently except where it's not convenient for his agenda....
It should hurt to be this stupid.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:16 am to RollTide4547
Another way to say it - true enough
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:07 pm to oklahogjr
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Sure as they didn't believe women should vote let alone be a judge
And as history has unfolded they have, once again, been shown to be wiser than their descendants.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:26 pm to TheMonTSteR
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Due process is for citizens. Period. If you've trespassed on US soil, you should be forcibly escorted to the border and told not to come back, or else -- do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
another one that doesnt understand due process....how do you prove someone isnt a US citizen....ahh yes...due process
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